[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

[Jonnyclueless]

So n ow we're back to the claim that if someone's testimony is not right then it can only be a lie? How many times have we made that circle in this very thread? 6, 7 times now?

I guess half the people on the Titanic were lying because half swore the ship broke in half and half swore is did not.

 

[Lyte Trip]

I didn't say they were lying.

CurtC said Mineta was lying about this.

 

[DavidJames]

I didn't say they were lying.

CurtC said Mineta was lying about this.

Please provide the specfic quote where CurtC "said Mineta was lying".

 

[beachnut]

Fraud Pentacon Citizen Investigation Team, Flight 77 American Airlines 9/11 Pentagon

I didn't say they were lying.

CurtC said Mineta was lying about this.

This is not about Mineta. It is about your inability to debunk the long list of evidence and witnesses here - http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

You can't so you ignore the real evidence and manufacture your own so you can sell DVDs to idiots. Selling lies to fools. Still a total disrespect for those who died on 77 and in the Pentagon.

 

[CurtC]

CurtC said Mineta was lying about this.

I did?!? Where?

About the impossible flight path - I've shown this in the past, and you have not addressed it other than to say the equivalent of "nuh-uhhh!" I've showed calculations at various speeds showing the bank angle that your flight path would require, and even at speeds way lower than the range of plausible values, it still would require a steep bank. Please show how a plane could follow your proposed flight path and not be nearly sideways.

My prediction: you can't.

 

[EventHorizon]

This is not about Mineta. It is about your inability to debunk the long list of evidence and witnesses here -

You can't so you ignore the real evidence and manufacture your own so you can sell DVDs to idiots. Selling lies to fools. Still a total disrespect for those who died on 77 and in the Pentagon.

Frank Probst account was amazing. Can you imagine almost getting hit by an airplane? I've never almost been hit by a car let alone a 757. That guy's going to have nightmares about that until the day he dies.

 

[hellaeon]

Recovering: Do you understand lytes arguement?

Of course its easy to get used to plane noise when its almost the same speeds and altitude daily. But this plane was flying 500+ mph just above the ground.

There would have been a major difference in sound that surely would capture attention from a few.

Lyte says that it flew through a pyrotechnic explosion onward and upward away from the pentagon. NO ONE noticed this. Then all the DNA and bodies and such were placed there. The light poles and subsequent damage caused was faked. The actual plane debree found was fake.

Personally I think lyte has an issue with social drugs.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Recovering: Do you understand lytes arguement?

I don't know what "lytes argument" is.

Of course its easy to get used to plane noise when its almost the same speeds and altitude daily. But this plane was flying 500+ mph just above the ground.
There would have been a major difference in sound that surely would capture attention from a few.

Flight 77? Of course. More than a "few" people "noticed" it.

Lyte says that it flew through a pyrotechnic explosion onward and upward away from the pentagon. NO ONE noticed this. Then all the DNA and bodies and such were placed there. The light poles and subsequent damage caused was faked. The actual plane debree found was fake.

Edited by chillzero: 

edited for civility

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OK.

 

[PhantomWolf]

OK.

I stopped beating my head on the wall after he stated that no one in DC could have seen the plane hit the Pentagon.

 

[gumboot]

No, why do you ask?

Because that's what Lyte Trip thinks the people around the Pentagon failed to notice.

-Gumboot

 

[PhantomWolf]

I did?!? Where?

You forget, CT's have not understanding of "mistaken". They only have "Lies" and "correct."

BTW Ltye/Craig why did you mix up witnesses that saw a 747 that was jheading to Reagan, others that saw the C-40 cargo transport that was asked to look for and follow Flight 77 and the radar reports sent to NEADS that ended up being NORAD Fighter jets all up with witnesses to Flight 77 as if they were all refering to the one plane? These incidents were in some cases minutes apart, in other tens of minutes.

Also how do you explain that a radio call went through to the triage centre of the Pentagon lawn that used identical language to what Mineta says he heard, and warned them of a SECOND plane coming in 20 miles out, 10 miles out, 5 miles out if the plane that this was refering too was Flight 77?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Claiming that the Pentagon isn't on the flight path is really splitting hairs. The flight path is over the Potomac, the Pentagon is on the Potomac. No, planes don't skim it. But they flight at low altitudes very near by. The people who work there are very used to loud airplanes near by. I lived in a high rise in Rosslyn, the planes are noisy even there where they are flying higher.

You have to ask why anyone would plan something as retarded as flying a 757 over the pentagon whilst an explosion happens at exactly the same time.

Lyte usually gets out of this by showing us the wiki entry to "Big Lie". However, I doubt Hitler would be as idiotic to plan something like this.

Lyte can never answer, why didn't they just fly a plane into the pentagon?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

You guys really ought to try talking to people that were there.

you too.

 

[chillzero]

Some additional posts have been merged here from another thread, so apologies if there is any confusion arising from this action.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Appeal to emotion. One of the lamest logical fallacies and a typical one to use when you know you are wrong.

"We do this for the future of our country and the world and for the countless 10's of thousands of innocents who have been murdered as a result of this fraudulent war on terror..."

http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showpos...5&postcount=48

Wow.

Great post of mine. (and a great quote)

Thanks for the link.

Ummm...........perhaps you need to look up what a logical fallacy is too.

The context of that response proves it is not one.

It was not an "appeal" to emotion it was an emotional response to an emotional attack.

Goodness gracious, wrong again.

Instead of presenting your argument(s) in a straightforward, reasoned, and neutral manner, you chose (and choose) to associate it with a cause. Your agenda, so proudly articulated by your quote above, is not "truth" but instead righteous payback for what you perceive to be wrongs.

A more clear example of an appeal to emotion one would be hard-pressed to find.

 

[SOMERLED]

You have to ask why anyone would plan something as retarded as flying a 757 over the pentagon whilst an explosion happens at exactly the same time.

Lyte usually gets out of this by showing us the wiki entry to "Big Lie". However, I doubt Hitler would be as idiotic to plan something like this.

Lyte can never answer, why didn't they just fly a plane into the pentagon?

I'll give you an initial answer to this. I'm sure Lyte has as good an answer , if not better. The reason they didn't just fly a plane into the pentagon is because the pentagon isn't quite as tall as one of the twins, consequently you couldn't guarantee to hit it by remote control.
I have lived in Horizon House Apartments, Army Navy Drive, Arlington and I have personal knowledge of the topography around the pentagon.
Where I lived, I could look out of the lounge window right at the pentagon. There was nothing between me and the pentagon except Army Navy Drive and a fence.
on the floor I was on, the laundry room faced the opposite direction. When you looked out of that window, you looked at a cliff. I well remember one day watching a man stood right on the top of an apartment block that was partway built. A plane coming in from that direction would not have been able to hit the pentagon, except by a nose dive. Which I'm sure is not the way homing beacons work.
The only way to get close to the pentagon had to be by human eye.
That meant a human pilot. The only way to not turn that pilot into a suicide merchant is to have him overfly the building.
The OCT approach line means anything that hit the building at that angle would not go straight through the wall - it would spread itself out along the wall.
A plane couldn't possibly get through such a small opening, neither could it get it's nose through a ground floor window without leaving it's underslung engines in the lawn.

 

[twinstead]

Malcom do you think that the majority of eye witnesses to the Pentagon crash are wrong and the physical evidence was planted like Lyte does?

 

[Cheap Shot]

The report by ATC from Boston Center to NEADS that an unidentified aircraft was 6 miles from the White House was based on a Telcon where it had been reported visually, not by radar. The controller was just passing additional information to NEADS. Boston Center does not have the radar feeds entered into thier automation to show radar targets from ZDC. The aircraft could have been a military aircraft, or it could have been AAL77. Don't know if we ever will know who it was.

 

[WilliamSeger]

I was in Alexandria last week visiting my parents and I discovered that one of their neighbors was on 395 coming out of DC, passing by the south Pentagon parking lot when the plane hit. If I'm interpreting his description correctly, he was very close to perpendicular to the flight path. He has never had an interview published, but he claims that he saw the plane about a second or two before it hit, saw it swoop in too low to pull up and miss the building (I specifically asked that), couldn't see the actual impact from where he was, but saw the fireball rise over the roof.

Coming along that same road, I managed to grab this pic. (This is the southernmost corner, so the plane hit the wall immediately around the left corner.)

Of course, I don't have any independent way of knowing whether or not this guy was telling the truth about where he was and exactly what he saw, but what I do know is that at that time of the morning, there would have been many, many people on 395 who would have had a view similar to this. It's quite likely that most of them would not have been looking toward the Pentagon when the plane came in, but it's also likely that most looked that way after it hit. Lyte would have us believe that the fireball confused them all so much that that didn't notice a 757-fer-chrissake flying over that roof and zooming merrily away...

When I mentioned that some people claim the plane flew over the roof, his only comment was, "They're full of [rule8]."