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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

Look into the lost book of Enki.

In response to a real question he provide this suggestion as 'evidence'

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This is a book full of 'made up stuff' by Zecharia Sitchin. it is an excellent example of unrestrained woo it is considered a novel and has no scientific value.

It is:

WOO
 
He's playing the Monty Python game "Cheese Shop".

1) He states he has evidence of an advanced civilisation.
2) We take turns asking why different types of evidence don't exist,
3) He makes up a new excuse for not having any evidence.
:)

The Monty Python Cheese Shop skit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWDdd5KKhts
If you're looking for a Monty Python portrayal of the likes of KotA the Black Knight is far closer:

 
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In response to a real question he provide this suggestion as 'evidence'

[qimg]https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1262606537l/623381.jpg[/qimg]

This is a book full of 'made up stuff' by Zecharia Sitchin. it is an excellent example of unrestrained woo it is considered a novel and has no scientific value.

It is:

WOO
Are you telling us that Sitchin's publication isn't
... peer-reviewed research ...
 
peer-reviewed research

Fantastic! Why didn't you say so before?
Please link to the posts where you cited the peer-reviewed research arguing in favour of an advanced civilisation, dating from some 12,500 years ago, that has been lost.
Will it show the stone pyramids, sorry, the huge stone pyramid structures, in Antarctica and Australia?
 
More Mischaracterization...pfft

REPOST for EMPHASIS:

"But at some point the hunter-gatherers learned to maintain the buzz, a major breakthrough. “By the time we became distinctly human 100,000 years ago, we would have known where there were certain fruits we could collect to make fermented beverages,” McGovern says. “We would have been very deliberate about going at the right time of the year to collect grains, fruits and tubers and making them into beverages at the beginning of the human race.” (Alas, archaeologists are unlikely to find evidence of these preliminary hooches, fermented from things such as figs or baobab fruit, because their creators, in Africa, would have stored them in dried gourds and other containers that did not stand the test of time.)

With a supply of mind-blowing beverages on hand, human civilization was off and running. In what might be called the “beer before bread” hypothesis, the desire for drink may have prompted the domestication of key crops, which led to permanent human settlements. Scientists, for instance, have measured atomic variations within the skeletal remains of New World humans; the technique, known as isotope analysis, allows researchers to determine the diets of the long-deceased. When early Americans first tamed maize around 6000 B.C., they were probably drinking the corn in the form of wine rather than eating it, analysis has shown."


Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...1mguoghiHtT.99
Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter

*Note that the domestication of crops comes BEFORE permanent settlements...?
 
REPOST for EMPHASIS

"It has no froth, is the colour of dark tea and carries an alcohol content of 10% - about double most contemporary beers.

Sakuji Yoshimura, an Egyptologist at Waseda University in Tokyo, helped transcribe the recipe from Egyptian wall paintings.

Kirin spokesman Takaomi Ishii said: "It has a taste very different from today's beer. It tastes a little like white wine."

-- BBC News, Brewers Concoct Ancient Egyptian Ale, 3rd August 2002

Original article: http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kun...#ixzz4xx4WdH7I
© Caroline Seawright
 
More Mischaracterization...pfft

REPOST for EMPHASIS:

"But at some point the hunter-gatherers learned to maintain the buzz, a major breakthrough. “By the time we became distinctly human 100,000 years ago, we would have known where there were certain fruits we could collect to make fermented beverages,” McGovern says. “We would have been very deliberate about going at the right time of the year to collect grains, fruits and tubers and making them into beverages at the beginning of the human race.” (Alas, archaeologists are unlikely to find evidence of these preliminary hooches, fermented from things such as figs or baobab fruit, because their creators, in Africa, would have stored them in dried gourds and other containers that did not stand the test of time.)

With a supply of mind-blowing beverages on hand, human civilization was off and running. In what might be called the “beer before bread” hypothesis, the desire for drink may have prompted the domestication of key crops, which led to permanent human settlements. Scientists, for instance, have measured atomic variations within the skeletal remains of New World humans; the technique, known as isotope analysis, allows researchers to determine the diets of the long-deceased. When early Americans first tamed maize around 6000 B.C., they were probably drinking the corn in the form of wine rather than eating it, analysis has shown."


Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...1mguoghiHtT.99
Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter

*Note that the domestication of crops comes BEFORE permanent settlements...?

The beer at GT was not made from domesticated grains.
 
REPOST for EMPHASIS

"It has no froth, is the colour of dark tea and carries an alcohol content of 10% - about double most contemporary beers.

Sakuji Yoshimura, an Egyptologist at Waseda University in Tokyo, helped transcribe the recipe from Egyptian wall paintings.

Kirin spokesman Takaomi Ishii said: "It has a taste very different from today's beer. It tastes a little like white wine."

-- BBC News, Brewers Concoct Ancient Egyptian Ale, 3rd August 2002

Original article: http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kun...#ixzz4xx4WdH7I
© Caroline Seawright


Which is all well and good for ONE BEER brewed thousands of years after your supposed civilisation existed.
You might as well cite a recipe for Tolly Cobbold Special Barley Wine and claim all English beer is 10% and use it to claim that Saxon beer was the same.
 
We can see the evidence of Roman civilization in the changes in the atmosphere preserved in Greenland is ice cores, and even see the rise and fall of Roman industry in that evidence. Yet Rome was far from being a global civilization. Where is the ice core data for this ancient civilization?

Similarly Roman trade can be tracked through Mediterranean shipwrecks from the period. Yet there is not a single shipwreck known from this global civilization engaging in global international trade?

Roman coins are found not just throughout the former empire, but also throughout former trading partners, for instance they are common in India. Yet not a single coin from this global civilization has turned up? Maybe they used PayPal for everything...

So, what is the record for ice cores? How far back do they date?

How old is the oldest shipwreck ever found?

Native Americans accepted a handful of beads for Stanton Island...in some tribal areas, they still purchase wives with goats. Asking where are the 12,500 year old coins from this 'advanced' civilization, as we use credit cards and other forms of digital cash is sorta dumb, don't you think? If I produced a coin, wouldn't you use that as evidence that they weren't advanced?? "Look, they weren't advanced, this coin was mis-struck!"

Look, if you want to prove an advanced global civilization didn't exist, you have to erase or re-label a lot of evidence. Which is what you've seen skeptics do here. No one yet, has addressed the same hand carvings from GT and Easter Island. Hell, this thread was started with a video that contains a plethora of evidence dating this younger dryas flood event. VERY FEW have even watched it.

It's an argument of ignorance. They don't know, and they refuse to directly address information that would disprove their position. If nothing can be presented to sway them...leave them to their own stupidity.
 
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Even if they were so advanced they had moved beyond cash to credit cards or whatever not all of the old coins would have disappeared.
How many thousands of years did it take us to reach the credit card level? How much cash is still in circulation?
When do you think we will give up cash?

Where is the supporting technology and infrastructure for the cashless society?
 
Which is all well and good for ONE BEER brewed thousands of years after your supposed civilisation existed.
You might as well cite a recipe for Tolly Cobbold Special Barley Wine and claim all English beer is 10% and use it to claim that Saxon beer was the same.

It is evidence that directly contradicts the claim that there was ONLY weak beer that did NOT require very much grain.

The OTHER piece of evidence I posted, that you ALSO ignored states humankind was probably brewing some 100,000 years ago. So, by GT time, we were likely good at it.

But, you know...don't bother addressing evidence that you disagree with...keep your position safe...turn away from those ugly facts!
 
Even if they were so advanced they had moved beyond cash to credit cards or whatever not all of the old coins would have disappeared.
How many thousands of years did it take us to reach the credit card level? How much cash is still in circulation?
When do you think we will give up cash?

Where is the supporting technology and infrastructure for the cashless society?

Goats live on grass...look around.
 
Your entire evidence is a beer brewed by a different civilisation thousands of years later?
 
Your entire evidence is a beer brewed by a different civilisation thousands of years later?

Aheeem...*in a whispered tone*

"I've been arguing that the globe was interconnected."

ETA:

You are ignoring the other evidence that stated brewing was likely 100,000 years old...GT brewers were likely advanced.

ETA II: The evidence posed to contradict my original statement was from a few hundred years ago...which should carry more weight?
 
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Matthew

He changes his reaction to each posters and each post. He is not engaged in an actual debate. He has no need to for coherent claims as all he is trying to do is get people to respond to him. He seems to think saying contradictory stuff is the best way to do it. Contradictory not coherent.

lol

Its kinda fun watching him intellectually stumbling around. He kinda like a zombie, you keep killing him with logic and reason and keeps trying to keep going by constantly changing his story like a lame, one-legged Gish Gallop.

You are kinda like a zombie too, stumbling about, belching up rotten awful, mush-mouth garble; but that might just be how I see all skeptic-infected humans who can't or won't see the evidence presented to them.
 
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In response to a real question he provide this suggestion as 'evidence'

[qimg]https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1262606537l/623381.jpg[/qimg]

This is a book full of 'made up stuff' by Zecharia Sitchin. it is an excellent example of unrestrained woo it is considered a novel and has no scientific value.

It is:

WOO

Question: Do books like Homer's Iliad and Oddsey, the Bible, or other ancient fictional writings have ANY value to scientific archaeologists?
 
Yes all the known civilizations, advanced cultures and even many minor cultures all left extensive traces. The civilizations often leaving MILLIONS of pieces of evidence and thousands of sites. All easy to find

The imaginary lost civilization not a single thing......

ROTFLMAO

*Except for these huge stone monuments that appear on every continent... :/
 

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