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Michael Flynn charged

LTC8K6 said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-court-filing/index.html

Doesn't look like much...
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LTC8K6 said:
I just don't see this being yuuuge or going anywhere.

I think Flynn is the end of this tunnel.
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WTF? Apparently you are not paying attention.

It's telling that other crimes he has admitted to (not registering as a foreign agent, lying on the security form, receiving millions in undeclared payments, and maybe conspiring to kidnap a legal resident) were not included because it suggests an exchange to get other members of the Trump admin, specifically Trump and Kushne, and of course, outside the admin, Donnie Jr.
 
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Darat said:
Doesn't this strike you as an abuse of process - surely this run contrary to justice?
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I can't tell whether you're joking, but the answer is no. It's not an abuse of process to fail to charge someone with a crime. Prosecutors have broad discretion unless they're preferring one class of citizens over another (whites/people of color or Protestants/Catholics). Since Flynn and his son are probably the same color and religion, that shouldn't be a factor.


LTC8K6 said:
Flynn doesn't appear to be testifying to anything illegal outside his own behavior.
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... in public, yet.


LTC8K6 said:
I just don't see this being yuuuge or going anywhere.

I think Flynn is the end of this tunnel.
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There is no way this tunnel ends with one charge of lying to the FBI. Flynn was in constant communication with Jared, Don Jr., and Trump himself. They may not convict anybody higher up than Flynn, but they'll definitely prefer charges.
 
Just a reminder: "collusion" became "criminal conspiracy" the moment Trump's team knew the Russians' intelligence was the product of hacked emails, and did not immediately report such. We know they had such knowledge at least as early as March 2016.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Mueller was appointed in May.

The FBI interviews in question were in January regarding Flynn's calls and election collusion. Long before Mueller was appointed.
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What's your point? That an investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia was about to happen was leaked back in November 2016. It was officially confirmed by Comey in March 2017, as being already in progress.

He lied to the FBI. If that's all they had, he probably would have been charged with that earlier than now.

ETA: The moment Flynn's lawyers stopped talking to Trump's lawyers is likely when the FBI informed Flynn and his lawyers of their intention to charge Flynn. That was very recent. As I said, it's very likely that they got a lot more out of Flynn than we're currently aware of.
 
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LTC8K6 said:
It's a very gray area because Flynn can say that he believed he had governmental authorization to make the contacts, since an incoming admin official directed him. The Act is specifically about contacts without authorization.
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I believe the proper saying is "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

Flynn was not some 20-something neophyte. He had been around for decades, serving at some of the highest levels of government. He should have known about restrictions about negotiating with foreign countries.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...l-flynns-statement-his-guilty-plea/913350001/

After over 33 years of military service to our country, including nearly five years in combat away from my family, and then my decision to continue to serve the United States, it has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of "treason" and other outrageous acts. Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right. My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel's Office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions.
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An admitted liar and felon lamenting the pain of enduring “false accusations”.

It just breaks your heart, doesn’t it?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
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WTF? Apparently you are not paying attention.

It's telling that other crimes he has admitted to (not registering as a foreign agent, lying on the security form, receiving millions in undeclared payments, and maybe conspiring to kidnap a legal resident) were not included because it suggests an exchange to get other members of the Trump admin, specifically Trump and Kushne, and of course, outside the admin, Donnie Jr.
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Right, so why didn't the FBI charge Flynn during it's own investigation?
 
Segnosaur said:
I believe the proper saying is "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

Flynn was not some 20-something neophyte. He had been around for decades, serving at some of the highest levels of government. He should have known about restrictions about negotiating with foreign countries.
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Some experienced lawyers are unsure of that act's scope.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
What's your point? That an investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia was about to happen was leaked back in November 2016. It was officially confirmed by Comey in March 2017, as being already in progress.

He lied to the FBI. If that's all they had, he probably would have been charged with that earlier than now.

ETA: The moment Flynn's lawyers stopped talking to Trump's lawyers is likely when the FBI informed Flynn and his lawyers of their intention to charge Flynn. That was very recent. As I said, it's very likely that they got a lot more out of Flynn than we're currently aware of.
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It is the Special Counsel Mueller charging Flynn, not the FBI.
 
LTC8K6 said:
It is the Special Counsel Mueller charging Flynn, not the FBI.
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If the charges came closer to the actual act, and that's all the FBI had, it would have been someone else filing the charges.

Again, what's your point?
 
Darat said:
Doesn't this strike you as an abuse of process - surely this run contrary to justice?
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How so?

It's commonplace for prosecutors to exert some leverage in order to gain some advantage and cooperation. Michael Flynn Jr. is not a child, but a full growed man. If the threat of prosecution of Junior prompts cooperation from Senior, I'm not sure I see that that as unjust.

If Junior honestly could be prosecuted, but a deal will prevent that prosecution, then it seems to me that Flynn is benefiting, rather than being harmed by this deal. Of course, if Junior is innocent of all wrongdoing, then I'd agree that a threat to prosecute him in order to obtain Senior's cooperation would be damned dirty.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Flynn offered to testify in exchange for immunity in March regarding the FBI investigation of election collusion.

So Flynn and his lawyers were already worried about prosecution.
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What. Is. Your. Point.

You're just flapping your fingers here.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Flynn offered to testify in exchange for immunity in March regarding the FBI investigation of election collusion.

So Flynn and his lawyers were already worried about prosecution.
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Still, the FBI would not be the ones charging him. It is not their job.
 
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