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[Merged]Play-by-Play: Debate between Kevin Ryan and Michael Shermer

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Thom Hartmann talking about 9/11 Woo

On KTLK, 1150 AM in Los Angeles. On the Mark Germain show. Hawking his new book, what else?

Hartmann talking now about Building 7, and he's dancing, because Germain (a skeptic) is asking pointed questions. Hartmann says, no explosives. But then says "Why get rid of the evidence?". "Why wasn't Building 7 in 9/11 Commission Report?" Keeps falling back on: "We don't know anything. Nobody knows anything about this."

By the way, this is what brands Hartmann as woo-woo, more than 9/11:
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sacrifice-Robert-Kennedy-Murder/dp/0786714417

Ultimate Sacrifice came out only 2 years ago. Conclusion: THE MOB KILLED KENNEDY!!!111one!!11

Apparently John and Robert Kennedy were planning a coup in Cuba for December 1, 1963, right? So apparently the CIA found out, contracted with the Mob to kill Jack, and then threatened Bobby they'd expose the Cuba coup plan if he didn't keep his mouth shut about his brother's assassination. Yup yup. Something along those lines.

Tomorrow is the debate between Kevin Ryan and Michael Shermer on 9/11, starting at 10:00 AM on Hartmann's show, Pacific Standard Time. I'll be providing live play-by-play coverage here, as usual!
 
From the Publisher's Weekly review of Ultimate Sacrifice:
Oswald, long a hidden CIA agent, was set up as the patsy, and it had always been Jack Ruby's job to eliminate him if he wasn't killed at the scene of Kennedy's shooting.
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That's right: these sooper sekrit conspirators let the whole plot hinge on...Jack Ruby, who mysteriously died of lung cancer three years later! My laughing dog just had a stroke.
 
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Certainly no reason to plant Ruby at the exit of the book depository and simply shoot Oswald then (headline: HERO GUNS DOWN JFK ASSASSIN AT SCENE).

No, much better to let Oswald out into the world, to then be taken into custody, so he'll have days to blow the lid off the whole thing before Ruby can get to him.

EDIT:

I think my book is outselling his. Eat it, Thom!

Sorry. Carry on.
 
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David Wong said:
Certainly no reason to plant Ruby at the exit of the book depository and simply shoot Oswald then (headline: HERO GUNS DOWN JFK ASSASSIN AT SCENE).

No, much better to let Oswald out into the world, to then be taken into custody, so he'll have days to blow the lid off the whole thing before Ruby can get to him.

EDIT:

I think my book is outselling his. Eat it, Thom!

Sorry. Carry on.
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Hey DW, I didn't know you wrote a book! Congrats and hope it enrichifies you a bunch!
 
Hartmann likes to pretend he's on the fence, but I pointed out just yesterday how he steered Robert Baer into accepting LIHOP as a possibility. It is admittedly hard to tell whether he's just playing the topic because it's interesting or whether he believes it. Certainly a fair number of AA or Nova M hosts have bought into the woo. On our local Nova M station we get a long block of Trooferism, with Jeff Farias followed by Mike Malloy.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
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Does KTLK stream over the 'net?
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He's on the Air America network so you may be able to get him here:
http://www.airamerica.com/

That's Thursday, November 8th, 2007 from 12 noon to 3 PM, Eastern Standard Time. Of course 9 AM to Noon, Pacific Standard Time.

The Ryan vs. Shermer debate on 9/11 is apparently to start at the top of the 2nd hour in his show.
 
Brainster said:
Hartmann likes to pretend he's on the fence, but I pointed out just yesterday how he steered Robert Baer into accepting LIHOP as a possibility. It is admittedly hard to tell whether he's just playing the topic because it's interesting or whether he believes it. Certainly a fair number of AA or Nova M hosts have bought into the woo. On our local Nova M station we get a long block of Trooferism, with Jeff Farias followed by Mike Malloy.
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Yep.

I was just listening to Randi Rhodes over there in NYC today, and all of a sudden she starts going on about the Arlen Specter "magic bullet" that stopped and turned and reversed and did a right turn and blah blah blah...

I want to take these progressive talk show hosts, sit them down and quite forcefully tell them that their woo-ness undercuts all the good stuff they are doing. But they wouldn't listen. They're being intellectually lazy - reaching out for ANYTHING that can be construed as anti-right-wing, anti-Bush. They cannot see how counterproductive this behavior is.

Ed Schultz is the only one who won't go the woo-woo route.
 
David Wong said:
Certainly no reason to plant Ruby at the exit of the book depository and simply shoot Oswald then (headline: HERO GUNS DOWN JFK ASSASSIN AT SCENE).

No, much better to let Oswald out into the world, to then be taken into custody, so he'll have days to blow the lid off the whole thing before Ruby can get to him.

EDIT:

I think my book is outselling his. Eat it, Thom!

Sorry. Carry on.
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Wow. Your book certainly is popular. Virtually all the reviews are 5 stars and dripping with praise.

Well done.
I might have to pick this up.
 
Archive Link

ConspiRaider said:
On KTLK, 1150 AM in Los Angeles. On the Mark Germain show. Hawking his new book, what else?

Hartmann talking now about Building 7, and he's dancing, because Germain (a skeptic) is asking pointed questions. Hartmann says, no explosives. But then says "Why get rid of the evidence?". "Why wasn't Building 7 in 9/11 Commission Report?" Keeps falling back on: "We don't know anything. Nobody knows anything about this."

By the way, this is what brands Hartmann as woo-woo, more than 9/11:
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sacrifice-Robert-Kennedy-Murder/dp/0786714417

Ultimate Sacrifice came out only 2 years ago. Conclusion: THE MOB KILLED KENNEDY!!!111one!!11

Apparently John and Robert Kennedy were planning a coup in Cuba for December 1, 1963, right? So apparently the CIA found out, contracted with the Mob to kill Jack, and then threatened Bobby they'd expose the Cuba coup plan if he didn't keep his mouth shut about his brother's assassination. Yup yup. Something along those lines.

Tomorrow is the debate between Kevin Ryan and Michael Shermer on 9/11, starting at 10:00 AM on Hartmann's show, Pacific Standard Time. I'll be providing live play-by-play coverage here, as usual!
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Archive here;

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/content/freehartmann/HartmannShow-(7-11-2007).mp3

Yes, I archive him.

Yes, I like the fellow a lot.

No, I don't endorse his Conspiracy ideas. But I don't think anybody is perfect, myself included.

:)
 
BenBurch said:
Archive here;

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/content/freehartmann/HartmannShow-(7-11-2007).mp3

Yes, I archive him.

Yes, I like the fellow a lot.

No, I don't endorse his Conspiracy ideas. But I don't think anybody is perfect, myself included.

:)
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Cool, Ben! And that means anyone who misses the mish-mosh tomorrow will be able to get it from WRS!!

But that is NOT going to stop me from doing my play-by-play coverage right here, whereby I interject my darling but inciteful commentary (darling?) into the live action.

I don't think anyone's perfect either, least of all me. Okay fine - Jessica Alba. But other than her...
 
ConspiRaider said:
He's on the Air America network so you may be able to get him here:
http://www.airamerica.com/

That's Thursday, November 8th, 2007 from 12 noon to 3 PM, Eastern Standard Time. Of course 9 AM to Noon, Pacific Standard Time.

The Ryan vs. Shermer debate on 9/11 is apparently to start at the top of the 2nd hour in his show.
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Thankee much. I'll roll in to work a little early tomorrow and start streaming it up!
 
ConspiRaider said:
Cool, Ben! And that means anyone who misses the mish-mosh tomorrow will be able to get it from WRS!!

But that is NOT going to stop me from doing my play-by-play coverage right here, whereby I interject my darling but inciteful commentary (darling?) into the live action.

I don't think anyone's perfect either, least of all me. Okay fine - Jessica Alba. But other than her...
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If you want to do a meta-cast in which you cut in your comments to the archived file, I'll put that online too.
 
Ben, I have a friend who is a truther. I think he is misled, but he is a good guy.

I wonder if Hartmann doesn't fit into the same category, as you seem to think he is a good chum, and you yourself seem like a decent fellow.

TAM:)
 
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BenBurch said:
If you want to do a meta-cast in which you cut in your comments to the archived file, I'll put that online too.
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I'd have to think about that, Big Ben. I'll be rather caustic, albeit on-the-fly, and naturally I'm looking to cross Ryan's "T"...
 
Are we going to make this the live debate thread? I think the debate is coming on in about 10 minutes.
 
Brainster said:
Are we going to make this the live debate thread? I think the debate is coming on in about 10 minutes.
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No, I was intending to start a new thread, Brain. Getting ready now. I'm just waiting for confirmation from Hartmann himself that he's all set to go...
 
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