McCain is done

[UserGoogol]

Texas is "Weak GOP"? Whaaaa??

They're probably using a pretty broad concept of weak, but it's been weak in the sense of "not as red as Utah" for a while. For a while FiveThirtyEight.com has been saying there's a 10% chance of Obama winning and there's a roughly 10 point gap between Obama and McCain right now in polls. Demographically Texas has a lot of Hispanics which helps somewhat, and some of the cities are islands of liberalism in the sea of Red. Of course, because Texas has so many people in it, pushing it over is probably difficult.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Sure.

Look carefully, DA and you will see that my statement:



was a response to you posting this:



which was your response to my statement:



which was my response to BenBurch's statement:



NOT a response to this BenBurch statement:



as you clearly claimed in your post #96.

Is that chain of logic too difficult for you to follow?

Well, there are one or two points that need clearing up.

(1) The first is, of course, the question I actually asked you. I posted.

Your whining about beggars dooming the economy did seem to imply a certain hostility towards Medicare given that it was a reply to:

They also say that McCain has almost lost may retirees as he came out and said he would cut Medicare to balance the budget.​

You started screaming that I was a liar. Can you identify an inaccuracy in my post?

(2) What distinction are you trying to make between the statement:

So, we should just cancel Social Security and Medicaid and screw all those who paid into the program their whole working lives.

and the statement:

So, we should just cancel Social Security and Medicaid and screw all those who paid into the program their whole working lives.

(3) What crap are you trying to talk about post 96?

(4) Why do you describe this mess of gibberish as a "chain of logic"?

Now, do you mind telling us how Obama's going to fund his health plan ... which is even bigger than McCain's?

Or is his failure to do that just another lie by omission?

When you stop screaming about how I'm a liar, then I'll consider whether I can be bothered to spoonfeed you.

 

[BeAChooser]

Can you identify an inaccuracy in my post?

ROTFLOL! Well I see that you are either incapable of reading or incapable of understanding a simple logic chain.

 

[Tricky]

How could he cut the taxes of the 32% of those filing tax returns who already pay NO TAXES?

BAC, before you give yourself apoplexy from screaming this repeatedly, understand that most people with reading comprehension skills know that when Obama claims to cut taxes for 95%, he means 95% of those who pay taxes. Or are you also going to complain that Obama ignored the unemployed children who don't pay taxes? What about their dogs? They don't pay taxes either!

So take your load of straw and make yourself a nice comfortable bed to rest your weary head. You're not employing that straw very effectively in your other craft projects.

 

[Dr Adequate]

ROTFLOL! Well I see that you are either incapable of reading or incapable of understanding a simple logic chain.

What a strange delusion. We'll go into that later, but for now, one step at a time. Let's focus on my first question, about your stupid screams of "liar".

Let's make it even easier for you, let's dumb it down further.

If you can't say what you think the inaccuracy is, perhaps you could at least tell us in what part of the post you think it is to be found?

It is quite a short post. Let's repeat it.

Your whining about beggars dooming the economy did seem to imply a certain hostility towards Medicare given that it was a reply to:

They also say that McCain has almost lost may retirees as he came out and said he would cut Medicare to balance the budget.​

Now, at what point in this post were you seized with the urge to start screaming nonsense about how I was a liar? We can go into the vexed question of why later.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Like I said, it's beggars and choosers ... and the beggars are winning.

But an economic system based on more begging than choosing is doomed to fail ... as the latest mortgage crisis proves.

Medicare = Begging?

No wonder dogmatic conservatism is falling out of favor.

 

[chipmunk stew]

which was my response to BenBurch's statement:

So, we should just cancel Social Security and Medicaid and screw all those who paid into the program their whole working lives.

NOT a response to this BenBurch statement:

So, we should just cancel Social Security and Medicaid and screw all those who paid into the program their whole working lives.

as you clearly claimed in your post #96.

Is that chain of logic too difficult for you to follow?

Nope, it's a piece of cake.

 

[Cicero]

Huh, personally I'm in no way part of the Democratic or Republican party,
not even allowed to vote. So I just express my opinion regarding the
obvious winner. You'll see.

The Battle of Britain slogan "Beware of the Hun in the sun" is disturbingly apropos with your geopolitics.

 

[Oliver]

The Battle of Britain slogan "Beware of the Hun in the sun" is disturbingly apropos with your geopolitics.

You'll see.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Now, at what point in this post were you seized with the urge to start screaming nonsense about how I was a liar? We can go into the vexed question of why later.

Dr A, I don't think you want to go into the why's of BAC's mental processes. I personally believe that leads to a very dark and scary place...

 

[BeAChooser]

BAC, before you give yourself apoplexy from screaming this repeatedly, understand that most people with reading comprehension skills know that when Obama claims to cut taxes for 95%, he means 95% of those who pay taxes.

Obama didn't say 95% *of those who pay taxes* in his claim. He said 95% "of all working families". And let me assure you that there are a lot of working families that submit tax returns who currently pay NO TAXES if they do their taxes right. In fact, various sources put the number of wage earners who pay no taxes at about 40% of the total, with about 32% of wage earners filing tax returns with no tax liability.

On another occasion Obama said "Here's what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut." Again, he didn't qualify his statement in the way you claim. The group "American people" certainly includes millions who already pay no taxes whatsoever. Obama certainly wanted to give those people the impression they will pay even less ... and it turns out that in a way they will.

You see, Obama gets his 95% number with a slight of hand ... a tax CREDIT (http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.28578/pub_detail.asp ) ... $500 for an individual and $1,000 for a married couple ... that will end up giving money to many people who currently pay no taxes or all or just a little tax. It's a transfer payment. Wealth redistribution. It is definitely not a "tax cut" for those who now pay no taxes. No, it is new welfare spending hidden in the Obama tax code. As Gingrich observes in the above "What Obama is proposing here is really quite similar to George McGovern's 1972 plan to send everyone a $1,000 check, which voters rightly saw as a crass vote-buying scheme rather than serious policy."

In fact, even the Tax Policy Center admitted that if you limit the analysis to tax filers, only 81.3 percent would see reduced taxes under the Obama plan. Even FactCheck caught this (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html ) noting that "Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in." So shall we call it the 14% LIE? And note that according to TPC, under Obama's plan 32 percent of households with a person over age 65 will see a tax INCREASE. I'm sure he hasn't told seniors that either.

And by the way, the claim that McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time is deceptive and dishonest too. FactCheck says (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html ), "according to Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies, in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president's position 95 percent of the time – the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office – and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain's support of President Bush's position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party's position has been as low as 67 percent (2001)."

And Factcheck goes on to say when considering whether the 95% is significant, one "may wish to consider that Obama's votes were in line with the president's position 40 percent of the time in 2007" and that "Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006".

So who is the one stuck on stupid and unwilling to be a maverick, Tricky?

 

[maxpower1227]

I suppose then, logically, that Obama is promising a taxcut to no less than 290 million Americans

Or maybe his wording gives the (presumably correct) impression to someone who DOES pay taxes that they stand 95% chance of seeing a tax cut?

I think someone's wasting a lot of energy on details here.

 

[T.A.M.]

don't forget the unemployed, welfare families, those on pensions, Retirees, and those on disability. They are technically not working, if their income is through one of the above.

So I doubt the number is 290 Million, is it??

TAM

 

[Eskarina]

The Battle of Britain slogan "Beware of the Hun in the sun" is disturbingly apropos with your geopolitics.

Too late! The Russians are beating us at our own game.

Russians Take New Beachhead

 

[BeAChooser]

Or maybe his wording gives the (presumably correct) impression to someone who DOES pay taxes that they stand 95% chance of seeing a tax cut?

You really think you will see a tax cut during Obama's 4 years? My, my ... aren't you gullible, max.

I'll ask again. How is Obama going to pay for his massive health plan? Where is he going to get the money to sent a trillion dollars overseas to fight poverty? How's he going to fund the new social programs and reparations that many of his core supporters are demanding? The details there are important. Wouldn't you say?

 

[BeAChooser]

don't forget the unemployed, welfare families, those on pensions, Retirees, and those on disability.

I'll just point out that Obama has plans to significantly raise taxes on the type of investments retirees often derive their income from during their *golden years*.

 

[Tricky]

I'll just point out that Obama has plans to significantly raise taxes on the type of investments retirees often derive their income from during their *golden years*.

Only if their income from these investments puts them in the top 5% of incomes. I don't think you need to worry about those people eating cat food.

 

[Cleon]

You really think you will see a tax cut during Obama's 4 years? My, my ... aren't you gullible, max.

I'll ask again. How is Obama going to pay for his massive health plan? Where is he going to get the money to sent a trillion dollars overseas to fight poverty? How's he going to fund the new social programs and reparations that many of his core supporters are demanding? The details there are important. Wouldn't you say?

So Obama's lying about his tax plans, but telling the truth about his other plans?

Y'know, I know a guy in Florida who'll give you $1 million if you can do this under controlled conditions...


Oop! Almost forgot:

 

[Oliver]

I'll just point out that Obama has plans to significantly raise taxes on the type of investments retirees often derive their income from during their *golden years*.

We'll see.

 

[Meadmaker]

I'll just point out that Obama has plans to significantly raise taxes on the type of investments retirees often derive their income from during their *golden years*.

Except that it isn't true for very many people. Most of us hold stocks only in 401k, IRA, or something similar.

Conservatives love to talk about how so many people are stockholders, so capital gains taxes hit everyone, except...they don't. I have had lots of capital gains over the last 10 years, although not as many as I had two weeks ago, and I have not and never will pay one red cent of capital gains or dividend tax. Sooner or later, I will withdraw it and it will be taxed as ordinary income. If I have enough that I will be able to withdraw 250,000 oney year, I'll be pretty darned happy, and willing to pay high taxes on it.