Using the 1st/3rd person divide in language as evidence for a metaphysical mental/physical duality seems to me the daftest idea yet.
As I have already pointed out, we use first person to refer to physical things “I am 6 foot tall” “I weigh 81 kg”
And we use 3rd person to refer to our minds “My mind is not alert today”. So there is no clear cut duality there.
Furthermore, why wouldn’t there be a 1st/3rd person divide? If there were no metaphysical mind/body duality, would this somehow remove the need for a person to refer to him/herself in any communication?
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the whole thing, but then if it is never actually explained…
I would contend that rather than a dualism in our language there is an inherent monism.
Look at the impossibility of imagining minds without bodies
The greatest poet of all – Dante – couldn’t describe Paradise without physical language.
Look at descriptions of so-called “out of body experiences”, they are full of physical language – “I was ‘floating’ near the ceiling ‘looking’ down on my body”
Look at descriptions of near-death experiences – they are also replete with physical descriptions – “I ‘saw’ a ‘light’ and ‘heard’ ‘voices’ ‘saying’ ‘come’ into the ‘light’”
I doubt anybody could actually justify P1.
But then analytic linguistics is defined as the process that begins by making up the rules and ends by failing to come to a conclusion.
I don't make Metaphysical divide between Mind and Body of it. That's in part why my comments in this thread are kind of off topic. It seems a lot gets lost in arguments like this, not only our apprehension of our selfhood but. as you point out, the dynamic unity of mind and body.
Yes, we use third person when we speak of ourselves objectively and as an object. There is also a first person speaking. Not just an I-me, but an I-I, and this is at bottom of Subjectivity, our apprehension of our selves as being Subject, not merely Object.
We use the word "you" in both a Subjective and Objective sense as well.
I can adress you as an object of my desire or my agenda. I am the subject and you are the object to be changed, manipulated, sold on something, sold something, or sold. But there is also a way in which I shift my focus and let you be the subject. You get to be the center of the experience instead of me. You aren't before me as an object of my actions. You are there as You.
It's hard to communicate this quality in a world where so very often others are means to an end rather than persons. where they are to be labeled and dismissed if they aren't of any use. Many people do go through their lives merely objectifying themselves and others, but nevertheless the quailty of being a subject and relating to others as subjects is what gives us our sense of being more than just an it to be labled and classified.
Let me repeat, I'm not after a Metaphysical position in stating this. I'm not positing Materialism or Idealism or The Elephant's Neutral Monism, or any metaphysical dualism but asking anyone to just agknowledge the Subjective. My complaint with an elimitative materialism is just that it kind of loses something in the translation. What it loses for me isn't a metaphysical substance called mind. it loses "soul," it loses "heart."
You can speak of parts of your body and aspects of your mind in third person, but there's also a first person sense of your selfhood, that is over and behind third person talk.
And let me repeat, that over and behind isn't a metaphysical realm. You are a soul, your body-mind is a soul. Distinct metaphysical substances would muddle the holistic dynamic between mind and body we also affirm.
Pardon me for using the word, "holistic." someone's quack alarm has just gone off, but the term has a real value.