Materialists......

[hammegk]

I wonder, is articulett a real 100%-sure materialist, or just another wannabe who is an illogical dualist?

Think she'll admit it?

 

[articulett]

I wonder, is articulett a real 100%-sure materialist, or just another wannabe who is an illogical dualist?

Think she'll admit it?

I don't even think I'm playing the ontology game. In the world of science, people seem pretty clear on the concept of materialism. No one accuses anyone of being illogical or dualists...

--and given the responses generated to your jibberish, most here see YOU as the illogical dualist. I think I'll let you philosphy types play the semantic labeling game by yourselves in this unwinnable game.

 

[hammegk]

Sorry. You appear to be the illogical dualist; I'm a monist.

It also appears you have no clue.

 

[Belz...]

Sorry. You appear to be the illogical dualist; I'm a monist.

It also appears you have no clue.

Translation: "Sorry, but it makes my own worldview far more coherent if I believe that you are an illogical dualist."

 

[hammegk]

Translation: You have been "participating" in this 81 page thread, and have no more idea today than you did when you started about the subject under discussion.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

I didn't know dualism was illogical. How come?

~~ Paul

 

[hammegk]

Go ahead and have faith it's logical.

Or, you could re-define the meaning of "physical"; that might do it iyo.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Go ahead and have faith it's logical.

Have faith? As if I care? I just wanted to know the proof that dualism is illogical.

Or, you could re-define the meaning of "physical"; that might do it iyo.

What does physical mean?

1 a : having material existence : perceptible especially through the senses and subject to the laws of nature *everything physical is measurable by weight, motion, and resistance Thomas De Quincey* b : of or relating to material things

Can't be that, or you wouldn't have given me so much crap for trying to define it epistemologically.

2 a : of or relating to natural science b (1) : of or relating to physics (2) : characterized or produced by the forces and operations of physics

Can't be that, or you wouldn't have given me so much crap for trying to define it scientifically.

~~ Paul

 

[hammegk]

Have faith? As if I care? I just wanted to know the proof that dualism is illogical.

Stimpy's argument is as good as any -- as we both know, and have known for years now.

What does physical mean?

1 a : having material existence : perceptible especially through the senses and subject to the laws of nature *everything physical is measurable by weight, motion, and resistance Thomas De Quincey* b : of or relating to material things

Can't be that, or you wouldn't have given me so much crap for trying to define it epistemologically.

2 a : of or relating to natural science b (1) : of or relating to physics (2) : characterized or produced by the forces and operations of physics

Can't be that, or you wouldn't have given me so much crap for trying to define it scientifically.

~~ Paul

Both provide an aspect of standard materialism. What's not to like? Accept the totality of those definitions as your position and agree free-will does not exist. I.E. 1. An effect follows cause, or 2. An effect is a random occurence. For any unitary effect Math recognizes no other possibility.

As we also both know, epistemology does not answer ontological questions.