Mass shooting in small town Texas

[Vixen]

Jeez, Vixen, get something right for once. All Saints' Day is 1st November. And the day before is, get this, "All Hallows' Eve", a.k.a. Hallowe'en.

You are in the wrong. All Saints Day service is on the first Sunday after Reformation Day.

 

[Vixen]

Ex-forces:

Devin Patrick Kelley walked into the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, dressed in full combat gear, and began shooting, according to local law enforcement sources.

Kelley, 26, of New Braunfels, a suburb of San Antonio, was killed after a brief foot chase into Guadalupe County, according Guadalupe County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Robert Murphy. But it’s still unclear if the gunman shot himself or was taken down by authorities.

San Antonio police raided Kelley’s home on Sunday evening, with K9 and bomb squad units. Kelley, who was reportedly married, had recently posted a photo of an AR-15 style gun on his Facebook page with the caption: ‘She’s a bad b***h.’

 

[Darat]

Gun addicts? That’s interesting.

But I don’t think you understand, giving up my guns isn’t going to make me safer. The government coming for them, isn’t going to make me safer.

The facts say otherwise.

 

[Darat]

Some reports this perp was an alt left wing Antifa member.

And?

 

[thaiboxerken]

The facts say otherwise.

Facts don't matter, especially when they contradict "the truth!!"

 

[Darat]

I'm fairly certain that gun possession by a dishonorably discharged veteran (if he was) is illegal unless their civil rights are restored. This would mean there is no "entirely legal route of buying from a dealer at a gun show".

If the murderer had bought the gun at a gun show will that now mean the gun seller will be prosecuted?

 

[thaiboxerken]

And?

If he was antifa, then that means guns aren't the issue because of reasons....

 

[Darat]

It is legal to build and possess bombs; what are you getting at?

Really you resort to such an answer?

 

[Darat]

If you violate the conditions of the BG Check card and void it then when the police were dealing with that they could also remove any fire arms from the premises, not that hard to put in place. It's supposed to be done now, it's just a matter of making sure it is enforced.



Selling a gun to someone without a BG Card would be illegal, they get caught they get jailed.



So does proper enforcement of the current rules with a little bit extra added.



Like a BG Check Card and enforcement of the current laws.

But the police would only be able to remove guns they know about or can find. If you have a system that can remove guns if for instance someone is convicted of an assault then you need to know what guns they had so you can remove them. I don't see why having each firearm registered with the police or other authority is onerous and it seems a very practical approach to me.

 

[Darat]

If he was antifa, then that means guns aren't the issue because of reasons....

I'm of the view in the USA it is not the number of guns that are the issue but the culture in regards to guns. We have a similar problem in the UK at the moment with knives and certain parts of our society.

 

[Reheat]

If the murderer had bought the gun at a gun show will that now mean the gun seller will be prosecuted?

Yes, if the FFL either did not do a NICS check or if he ignored the results he will be prosecuted. That's assuming the idgit was prohibited. If he wasn't he should have been due to the domestic violence conviction.

 

[erlando]

shooter's ID

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer

if (WHITE_DUDE) goto DO_NOT_POLITICIZE

Nothing to see here, carry on.

 

[Arcade22]

Remember: this is the price of freedom. These deaths, as countless others, are an acceptable cost to pay for so that gun nuts can play around with their toys.

 

[Arcade22]

I manufacture (I'm a maker, there is a difference) firearms in my garage. It is normal here.

As are mass shootings apparently. Maybe they are related somehow?

 

[lionking]

People will always die in car accidents. Therefore, what is the point of ABS brakes, seat belts, air bags, guard rails, tempered glass, licensing and registration, street lighting and all this other nonsense trying to prevent something we cannot stop?

These false equivalences always pop up in threads like this. This has been covered time and time again, along with swimming pools, golf clubs and paper cuts. A ridiculous argument.

You can prevent gun massacres like this. You just don't want to.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I'm of the view in the USA it is not the number of guns that are the issue but the culture in regards to guns. We have a similar problem in the UK at the moment with knives and certain parts of our society.

I don't agree. It is the sheer number of guns and how easily accessible they are. The USA does not seem to have more violent crimes, they are similar to other countries. However, the violence escalates to gun homicides much more often and I think it is because of the presence of guns. The UK may have a problem with knives, but imagine how much more severe the problem would be if guns were more accessible.

Also, guns make suicide much more successful, more than most other methods.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Remember: this is the price of freedom. These deaths, as countless others, are an acceptable cost to pay for so that gun nuts can play around with their toys.

And toys are exactly what they are to most gun owners.

 

[The Don]

These false equivalences always pop up in threads like this. This has been covered time and time again, along with swimming pools, golf clubs and paper cuts. A ridiculous argument.

You can prevent gun massacres like this. You just don't want to.

Personally I doubt whether they can be prevented altogether, but I think that the number of incidents, frequency and number of casualties can be reduced significantly.

That said, one of the things that has changed in my 15 years on the board is that I no longer think that it's just a matter of controlling access to guns. Like Darat I think that there is a cultural dimension to this which, combined with easy access to guns results in the unusually high death toll in the US.

 

[The Don]

I don't agree. It is the sheer number of guns and how easily accessible they are. The USA does not seem to have more violent crimes, they are similar to other countries. However, the violence escalates to gun homicides much more often and I think it is because of the presence of guns. The UK may have a problem with knives, but imagine how much more severe the problem would be if guns were more accessible.

Also, guns make suicide much more successful, more than most other methods.

I agree with Darat and tend to disagree with you. I think that US gun culture for example sees handguns as a useful tool for home defence. I think that's pretty unusual in the developed world. IMO the US also has a much higher incidence of "shooting for fun" as opposed to hunting or specifically target shooting. There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with that but it does tend to mean that people view guns and recreational tools which can be used whenever practicable (with resultant levels of reckless and careless use) as opposed to life-threatening devices which should be handled with respect and stored securely.

My Brother-in-Law is keen on exercising his second amendment rights and actively uses guns to "protect" his family. I'd be much more sanguine about visiting him and his family if he treated his guns with the same care and circumspection with which he treats his chainsaw.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If that is his gun he liked his Magpul gear.