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Loose Change - Part IV

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gumboot said:
The difference is Blair Witch Project was a totally manufactured event cleverly presented and marketed in such a way that it appeared to be true...

On the other hand LC is... oh... wait...

-Andrew
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ever see alien abduction: incident in lake county?

same deal (but better than blair witch IMO)
 
Heh, he change the Burlingame part to "an ex-Navy pilot before retiring" participated in an earlier version of MASCAL. I guess Dylan has been reading SLC.

This whole thing is silly anyway. MASCAL is short for Mass Casualty, it is an exericise to practice the emergency response to a catastrophic event, not a rehearsal of the event itself.
 
Submersible said:
If one body remained intact inside of the pentagon then the rest of them couldn't have burned away.
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I didn't see exactly what this was responding to, but I don't think any of the bodies from flight 77 would have remained intact. I have seen some of the pictures from the Pentagon showing burned bodies, but I was assuming that these were of people who worked in the Pentagon and were killed by the fireball. Am I wrong about that?
 
CurtC said:
I didn't see exactly what this was responding to, but I don't think any of the bodies from flight 77 would have remained intact. I have seen some of the pictures from the Pentagon showing burned bodies, but I was assuming that these were of people who worked in the Pentagon and were killed by the fireball. Am I wrong about that?
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That's what I've always assumed.
 
CurtC said:
I didn't see exactly what this was responding to, but I don't think any of the bodies from flight 77 would have remained intact. I have seen some of the pictures from the Pentagon showing burned bodies, but I was assuming that these were of people who worked in the Pentagon and were killed by the fireball. Am I wrong about that?
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At the Moussaoui trial they introduced into evidence a flash presentation that shows the location of all the bodies, and body parts of the victims at the Pentagon. The passengers on the plane were pretty torn up. For some reason this was left out of the Loose Change recut.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/08/pentagon-victims.html
 
Submersible said:
I can't believe it.

:boxedin: unless your still going with the pixie dust theory.
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Submersible,

Firstly, welcome to the forum. Secondly, some advice. The people here are incredibly polite and open-minded people (except when it comes to politics, don't go there... :p) with a great deal of integrity.

If you approach your points of discussion while displaying respect for these individuals, they will be fair and reasonable in their discussion.

However, please remember at all times, this particular topic has been thoroughly discussed. I myself feel fairly confident to rebut all of your points purely from memory, and my knowledge of these events is utterly dwarfed by some of the "heavy weights" here.

Furthermore, they WONT just rebut you off the top of their heads. They will carefully and precisely present well-resourced and hard-researched evidence from numerous outside sources.

Many here have particular expertise in various aspects of 9/11, and many here work, or have worked in the various professions in question.

If you wish to discuss this topic here, I gently suggest you do your homework. Because we have done ours.

And one last piece of advice.

Although for most people 9/11 was a detached event happening on a TV screen, for some of our forum members the event was very real. Many live in New York and witnessed the event - and the aftermath - first hand. Others here lost friends and family on September 11. Conspiracy or not, their loved ones HAVE been taken from them.

Due respect for the victims would be appreciated.

-Andrew
 
Here's a question that's been bothering me for a while. The 9/11 Commission report says that flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 530 mph (460 knots).

Somewhere along the way, information began spreading that the FDR showed the speed as 345 mph, although I've never seen the FDR transcript, and I haven't found the source of that info.

But according to the recently released flight path info, which is based on the FDR readings and radar data, flight 77 did hit the Pentagon at approximately 530 mph.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc02.pdf

Does anyone know where the figure of 345 came from? Anyone know if the FDR transcript has been released? And perhaps the speed is "approximately" 530 because that part of the data was unrecoverable?
 
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Gravy said:
Here's a question that's been bothering me for a while. The 9/11 Commission report says that flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 530 mph (460 knots).

Somewhere along the way, information began spreading that the FDR showed the speed as 345 mph, although I've never seen the FDR transcript, and I haven't found the source of that info.

But according to the recently released flight path info, which is based on the FDR readings, flight 77 did hit the Pentagon at 530 mph.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc02.pdf

Does anyone know where the figure of 345 came from?
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could be an airpseed/groundspeed thing, not really sure
 
Gravy said:
Somewhere along the way, information began spreading that the FDR showed the speed as 345 mph, although I've never seen the FDR transcript, and I haven't found the source of that info.


Does anyone know where the figure of 345 came from?
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Here's where I first saw it
I am researching Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. The aircraft was a Boeing 757-200 traveling 345 mph according to the flight data recorder. Because of damage to light poles about 1500 feet from the building, the leading edge of the wing was about 15-18 feet off the ground at this location. The impact damage at the building is contained below the slab of the second floor, which is 14 feet high. Nothing hit the lawn prior to the building facade. How would ground effect have been overcome for this scenario?
- Russell Pickering
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http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0274.shtml
 
There's a self-proclaimed "sock puppet expert" on Letterman now. (Puppetry, not internet decption). :D
 
Firehouse Magazine
FDNY 9/11 Tapes Revisited: New Questions
Port Authority Analysis Contradicts City Report


Updated: 12-23-2002 09:54:50 AM

For much of the last year, New York City has said the devastating breakdown in fire communications at the World Trade Center was largely caused by the failure of an electronic device in the complex called a repeater, which was designed to boost radio transmissions in high rise buildings.



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wikipedia : CIA
In its creation many disposed Nazi operatives were recruited to become agents, they were offered financial packages and promised to be exempt from trial for their war crimes committed in World War II. This was a result of Operation Paperclip. Rear Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter was appointed as the first Director of Central Intelligence.

It has now been firmly established (see references below) that the OSS actively recruited and protected many high ranking Nazi officers immediately following World War II, a policy that was carried on by the CIA.[12] These included, the CIA now admits, the notorious "butcher of Lyon" Klaus Barbie, Hitler's Chief of Soviet Intelligence General Reinhard Gehlen, and numerous less-renowned Gestapo officers.
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"We came to the conclusion that arguing about the different versions was not a fruitful exercise,"
 
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Submersible said:
Firehouse Magazine
FDNY 9/11 Tapes Revisited: New Questions
Port Authority Analysis Contradicts City Report

"We came to the conclusion that arguing about the different versions was not a fruitful exercise,"
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A suggestion: when printing long quotes, tell us why they're significant. Earlier you said,

How can he pretend as if the Port Authority tapes that were released in 11-04 didn't make him and the mayor both appear to be part of the cover-up ?
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Did you introduce the quote above as evidence of a cover-up? If so, can you be more specific?

Also, are you aware that another 1,600 FDNY 9/11 calls were released today?
 
gumboot said:
Submersible,

Firstly, welcome to the forum. Secondly, some advice. The people here are incredibly polite and open-minded people (except when it comes to politics, don't go there... :p) with a great deal of integrity.

If you approach your points of discussion while displaying respect for these individuals, they will be fair and reasonable in their discussion.

However, please remember at all times, this particular topic has been thoroughly discussed. I myself feel fairly confident to rebut all of your points purely from memory, and my knowledge of these events is utterly dwarfed by some of the "heavy weights" here.

Furthermore, they WONT just rebut you off the top of their heads. They will carefully and precisely present well-resourced and hard-researched evidence from numerous outside sources.

Many here have particular expertise in various aspects of 9/11, and many here work, or have worked in the various professions in question.

If you wish to discuss this topic here, I gently suggest you do your homework. Because we have done ours.

And one last piece of advice.

Although for most people 9/11 was a detached event happening on a TV screen, for some of our forum members the event was very real. Many live in New York and witnessed the event - and the aftermath - first hand. Others here lost friends and family on September 11. Conspiracy or not, their loved ones HAVE been taken from them.

Due respect for the victims would be appreciated.

-Andrew
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An excellent, well-stated post, with one glaring error: you greatly minimize your significant contributions.
 
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