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Loose Change - Part IV

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Hey there - I have been following this forum since watching Loose Change for the first time. I have actually read about 50% of the posts regarding Loose Change. You sure have been busy bees :)

I have come to the realization that maybe Dylan, Jason and Korey are actually just salesmen. They know the value of a neat looking website, a spooky "documentary" and the power of belief. You can sell anything to a "truth seeker" - a true believer is like a sheep following the shepherd.

Did you know that they've sold more than 100.000 copies of their DVD? And who knows how many T-shirts, bumper stickers and posters?

Maybe they are just pulling our legs. No question they have effectfully cornered the market for conspiracty theories. They have all the buzz right now and a huge "herd" of gullible males between 15 and 25. Why not prey on them?
 
Well it seems Thomas Keane from the 9/11 comission will be on The Daily Show tonight, and the CTers are all spooging themselves with the hope that Jon Stewart will finally show his support for their cause and rip him a new one. It's 5:22 here right now, and the show airs at 11. My guess is that by 11:30 Jon Stewart will be getting cursed as a traitor and a shill. Either that or "He wanted to expose the troof, but his evil producers were told to not let him by the gubmint.

So what has been the response?

(in case you missed, the idea of a CT never even came up; nothing Stewart said during the show would make anyone think he even entertains the possibility of a CT. I'm guessing their response: he used to work for Keane and is therefore a lackey)
 
Hey there - I have been following this forum since watching Loose Change for the first time. I have actually read about 50% of the posts regarding Loose Change. You sure have been busy bees :)

I have come to the realization that maybe Dylan, Jason and Korey are actually just salesmen. They know the value of a neat looking website, a spooky "documentary" and the power of belief. You can sell anything to a "truth seeker" - a true believer is like a sheep following the shepherd.

Did you know that they've sold more than 100.000 copies of their DVD? And who knows how many T-shirts, bumper stickers and posters?

Maybe they are just pulling our legs. No question they have effectfully cornered the market for conspiracty theories. They have all the buzz right now and a huge "herd" of gullible males between 15 and 25. Why not prey on them?

Yep, Dylan Avery and the Louder Than Words crew has made a business off the deaths of thousands.

By the way, welcome to the forum. :)
 
Hey there - I have been following this forum since watching Loose Change for the first time. I have actually read about 50% of the posts regarding Loose Change. You sure have been busy bees :)

I have come to the realization that maybe Dylan, Jason and Korey are actually just salesmen. They know the value of a neat looking website, a spooky "documentary" and the power of belief. You can sell anything to a "truth seeker" - a true believer is like a sheep following the shepherd.

Did you know that they've sold more than 100.000 copies of their DVD? And who knows how many T-shirts, bumper stickers and posters?

Maybe they are just pulling our legs. No question they have effectfully cornered the market for conspiracty theories. They have all the buzz right now and a huge "herd" of gullible males between 15 and 25. Why not prey on them?

It's not unlike the buildup that was used to the release of The Blair Witch Project.
 
Hey there - I have been following this forum since watching Loose Change for the first time. I have actually read about 50% of the posts regarding Loose Change. You sure have been busy bees :)

Only 50% ? You need to work much harder (about twice as hard, in fact,) because that means you might have missed HALF of my glorious posts!!!

Welcome ;)
 
Thanks a lot for the welcome.

I need to pay my respect to you all. There is nothing like facts, credible sources and expert testimonies when debunking CT's. And it has been a pleaure watching everyone of the myths being debunked.
 
So what has been the response?

(in case you missed, the idea of a CT never even came up; nothing Stewart said during the show would make anyone think he even entertains the possibility of a CT. I'm guessing their response: he used to work for Keane and is therefore a lackey)

Actually no one has brought up how he slipped that he used to work for him. Several people are now saying he is a shill or a coward, others are calling him a "gatekeeper" whatever the hell that means, and one guy took my bait that he didn't say anything because he was born a jew and must be part of the zionist conspiracy.

Now I just wish Colbert had interviewed him too so they would know both of them think they are nuts.
 
Actually no one has brought up how he slipped that he used to work for him. Several people are now saying he is a shill or a coward, others are calling him a "gatekeeper" whatever the hell that means, and one guy took my bait that he didn't say anything because he was born a jew and must be part of the zionist conspiracy.

Has no one ever ventured the thought that he just doesn't believe the CT stuff?

I know they were all jazzed at the possibilty that he would buy their nonsense, but what would be wrong with just admitting that, I guess he doesn't?

For some reason, they need to assert that he really _does_ believe it, but just won't talk about it?
 
They really did great job in correcting all the errors for this recut. I can only find one minor error: The film suggests that the whole thing was some kind of massive web of conspiracies. They only need to correct that one error for the Final cut for it to be rock solid.
 
Actually no one has brought up how he slipped that he used to work for him. Several people are now saying he is a shill or a coward, others are calling him a "gatekeeper" whatever the hell that means.

The concept of the gatekeeper is that the conspiracy theory is being kept from entering the mainstream by people like Amy Goodman, Daily Kos, Noam Chomsky, David Corn, etc., who refuse to give credence to the 9-11 theories (indeed in the latter two cases, they actively dismiss them as nonsense).
 
In the recut version flight 77 has Rolls Royce engines and not Pratt&Whitney. It's a great thing Dylan is still learning something new every day. After 3 years of intensive 9/11 research he has now discovered one of the basic and easy-to-find facts about 9/11. Very good, Dylan. Nice job.

However Dylan seems unable to connect the dots. He still believes the "no plane hit the Pentagon" theory. Maybe I am asking too much.
 
They really did great job in correcting all the errors for this recut. I can only find one minor error: The film suggests that the whole thing was some kind of massive web of conspiracies. They only need to correct that one error for the Final cut for it to be rock solid.


I can't believe it.
It's just hard to imagine that after they blew the basement out of WTC 1&2 by crashing jets into the 75-80th floors of the structure, that they still had enough pixie dust left to turn FEMA into the world's fastest I-BEAM recovery , shipping, and REcycling machine.

I'm brand new here and only read the first and last pages of this thread,
but it sounds like the majority of you believe that God/Allah was willing to give those 19 "martyrs" ... THAT much pixie dust.

Flight 93 = Little or NO evidence remains after everything including the passenger's TEETH "vaporized" at the scene.

The Pentagon = Not one single image showing evidence of a 757 on approach, inside or outside of the building as it burned nor in the debris. This 757 supposedly "vaporized" also.

WTC 2 = A firechief was on the 78th floor calling for 2 engine companies and 2 hose lines on the floor where the plane crashed, the same place where the inferno raged that blew the basement out of the superstructure. You will hear him just like many other fireman report "explosions" between the time the towers were struck by the planes, and one group of them reported a series of explosions as the structure literally FELL down.

WTC 1 = Over 150 of the 346 FDNY men and women that died that day, did so because they could not hear the evacuation orders after the basement blew out of WTC 2, but the repeater worked because it picked up the radio traffic from tower 2. The FDNY fire commissioner has not asked any questions or shown any interest into the tapes released by the Port Authority that basically blew him and the mayor's signed "closed case" out of the water.

Regardless, if you want to blame the 8 or 9 biggest MIRACLES of our lifetime on the Muslim people that flew the planes on 9-11...
just remember that THEY are going to get the credit and recognition for having THAT MUCH POWER.

Unfortunately FEMA removed and destroyed all of the evidence before we could broadside the two most devout groups of people and inject our all powerful war MACHINE into their somewhat peaceful 1400yr. old Holy war, so it will be 50 or 60 years until we are able to teach our children what part of this 'history' to learn and believe.

Maybe you believe that Osama Bin Laden is the one who handed out all of that special pixie dust, and it doesn't matter how many women and children get in OUR way of hunting him down and "smoking him out of his hole". :jaw-dropp
speakng of a hole,
I just can't believe that the top portion of the towers that came crumbling down could turn three or four sub-level floors into DUST and blow all of that material out of the ground.
Since I can't post images yet, google this... (washington gndzero) ..
there is only one result if you want to SEE what I'm talking about.
The images suggest a massive web of conspiracies. FEMA removed everything from Ground Zero to protect the REAL terrorist by destroying all of the structural evidence.

:boxedin: unless your still going with the pixie dust theory.
 
Flight 93 = Little or NO evidence remains after everything including the passenger's TEETH "vaporized" at the scene.

Lots of parroting of conspiracy web sites, very little original thinking, but this one right off the bat is totally false.

Perhaps you can tell us about all the first responders you have interviewed who can verify your claim that "little or NO" evidence remained?

Perhaps you haven't seen the pictures of the wreckage. Perhaps you have a typically cartoonish expectation of what should happen when a plane crashes into the ground at 500 mph. Who knows?

Maybe you should have read more of the thread.
 
Flight 93 = Little or NO evidence remains after everything including the passenger's TEETH "vaporized" at the scene.

Only if you fail to look hard enough. PLenty of body parts were recovered, as well as plane parts. Crashes tend not to leave much.

The Pentagon = Not one single image showing evidence of a 757 on approach, inside or outside

Like it or not, the entire world isn't being videotaped. The Pentagon preferred live security to camera. Why don't you ask the hundreds of witnesses.

of the building as it burned nor in the debris. This 757 supposedly "vaporized" also.

It disintigrated, but 'vaporized' is a CT myth. There are plenty of photos of airplane parts.

WTC 2 = A firechief was on the 78th floor calling for 2 engine companies and 2 hose lines on the floor where the plane crashed,

The major fire was above that floor. Read the NIST work.

the same place where the inferno raged that blew the basement out of the superstructure. You will hear him just like many other fireman report "explosions" between the time the towers were struck by the planes, and one group of them reported a series of explosions as the structure literally FELL down.

Explosions does not equal bombs.

WTC 1 = Over 150 of the 346 FDNY men and women that died that day, did so because they could not hear the evacuation orders after the basement blew out of WTC 2, but the repeater worked because it picked up the radio traffic from tower 2. The FDNY fire commissioner has not asked any questions or shown any interest into the tapes released by the Port Authority that basically blew him and the mayor's signed "closed case" out of the water.

This is a matter handled without conspriacy mongering, and your account is pretty far off base.

Regardless, if you want to blame the 8 or 9 biggest MIRACLES of our lifetime on the Muslim people that flew the planes on 9-11...
just remember that THEY are going to get the credit and recognition for having THAT MUCH POWER.

They took advantage of our weaknesses. Why is that hard for you to accept?

Unfortunately FEMA removed and destroyed all of the evidence

Bull.

before we could broadside the two most devout groups of people and inject our all powerful war MACHINE into their somewhat peaceful 1400yr. old Holy war, so it will be 50 or 60 years until we are able to teach our children what part of this 'history' to learn and believe.

Maybe you believe that Osama Bin Laden is the one who handed out all of that special pixie dust, and it doesn't matter how many women and children get in OUR way of hunting him down and "smoking him out of his hole". :jaw-dropp
speakng of a hole,
I just can't believe that the top portion of the towers that came crumbling down could turn three or four sub-level floors into DUST and blow all of that material out of the ground.

More standard dreck.

Since I can't post images yet, google this... (washington gndzero) ..
there is only one result if you want to SEE what I'm talking about.
The images suggest a massive web of conspiracies. FEMA removed everything from Ground Zero to protect the REAL terrorist by destroying all of the structural evidence.

If FEMA removed everything, then why does NIST have so many important pieces.

:boxedin: unless your still going with the pixie dust theory.

I'm going with what the Engineers around the world say happened, not some cream-dream of a bored film student.
 
:boxedin: unless your still going with the pixie dust theory.

funny thing about the pixie dust theory, there is just as much solid evidence for the use of actual pixie dust as there is solid evidence of 9/11 being an inside job

welcome to the forum

Jon
 
I can't believe it.
I invite you to look at the flight path from the FDR recovered from Flight 77. There is a link to it in this forum. You can't recover a Flight Data Recorder from a Plane that wasn't there.

Until you do that, I suggest you read more and post less.

DR
 
I can't believe it.
It's just hard to imagine that after they blew the basement out of WTC 1&2 by crashing jets into the 75-80th floors of the structure, that they still had enough pixie dust left to turn FEMA into the world's fastest I-BEAM recovery , shipping, and REcycling machine.
I can see you're new here. You'll have to do better than make claims. Back them up.

I'm brand new here and only read the first and last pages of this thread,
but it sounds like the majority of you believe that God/Allah was willing to give those 19 "martyrs" ... THAT much pixie dust.
Actually many of us here are atheists, and I's bet none of us believe in "pixie dust", whatever that is.

Flight 93 = Little or NO evidence remains after everything including the passenger's TEETH "vaporized" at the scene.
Oh dear, where did you hear this? In fact, all 40 of the passengers and crew were identified, many through dental records. Hard to do that if they were "vaporized" as you claim. The remains of 4 others w/ distinct DNA profiles were also recovered - those were the hijackers, whose relatives declined to give DNA samples to confirm their identities.

Also:
After the crash about 10 a.m. Sept. 11, FBI officials said they expected the work at the site to take three to five weeks. On Monday, Crowley said good weather and a large number of workers -- as many as 1,500 in less than two weeks' time -- allowed the work to go more quickly. He said that the biggest piece of the aircraft which was found was a piece of the outer portion of the fuselage, which measures about 6 feet by 7 feet and included four windows. The heaviest piece found was a part of an engine fan weighing about 1,000 pounds, Crowley said.
Funny definition of "vaporized" you have there.

The Pentagon = Not one single image showing evidence of a 757 on approach, inside or outside of the building as it burned nor in the debris. This 757 supposedly "vaporized" also.
There you go again w/ the vaporized stuff - where do you get this? As far as approach:
Minutes later at Washington's Reagan National Airport, controllers also watched as American Flight 77 aimed right at them, then made a 360 degree turn and smashed into the Pentagon.
As far as remains go:
Investigators have identified remains of 184 people who were aboard American Airlines Flight 77 or inside the Pentagon, including those of the five hijackers, but they say it is impossible to match what is left with the five missing people.

WTC 2 = A firechief was on the 78th floor calling for 2 engine companies and 2 hose lines on the floor where the plane crashed, the same place where the inferno raged that blew the basement out of the superstructure. You will hear him just like many other fireman report "explosions" between the time the towers were struck by the planes, and one group of them reported a series of explosions as the structure literally FELL down.
You'll have to translate all that for me as far as what meaning I'm supposed to get out of it. Try to be specific.
WTC 1 = Over 150 of the 346 FDNY men and women that died that day, did so because they could not hear the evacuation orders after the basement blew out of WTC 2, but the repeater worked because it picked up the radio traffic from tower 2. The FDNY fire commissioner has not asked any questions or shown any interest into the tapes released by the Port Authority that basically blew him and the mayor's signed "closed case" out of the water.
see above.

Regardless, if you want to blame the 8 or 9 biggest MIRACLES of our lifetime on the Muslim people that flew the planes on 9-11...
just remember that THEY are going to get the credit and recognition for having THAT MUCH POWER.
There were 8 or 9 miracles on that day? What are they? And you say Muslims performed these miracles?

Unfortunately FEMA removed and destroyed all of the evidence before we could broadside the two most devout groups of people and inject our all powerful war MACHINE into their somewhat peaceful 1400yr. old Holy war, so it will be 50 or 60 years until we are able to teach our children what part of this 'history' to learn and believe.
Wow. Just... wow! :boggled:

Maybe you believe that Osama Bin Laden is the one who handed out all of that special pixie dust, and it doesn't matter how many women and children get in OUR way of hunting him down and "smoking him out of his hole". :jaw-dropp
OBL now has pixie dust? What does it do?

speakng of a hole,
I just can't believe that the top portion of the towers that came crumbling down could turn three or four sub-level floors into DUST and blow all of that material out of the ground.
Since I can't post images yet, google this... (washington gndzero) ..
there is only one result if you want to SEE what I'm talking about.
The images suggest a massive web of conspiracies. FEMA removed everything from Ground Zero to protect the REAL terrorist by destroying all of the structural evidence.
Perhaps you should consult some real structural engineers or demolitions experts to help you understand. You obviusly have not done so. Do you currently believe that OBL's "pixie dust" did all this? I have to get some of that for next July 4th!

:boxedin: unless your still going with the pixie dust theory.
Now I'm confused, I thought you were the one w/ the pixie dust theory? I never heard of it before, could you share it here?
 
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