Loose Change - Part III

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Well, I didn't make it to Ground Zero today. Wound up helping a friend move who was shorthanded. I'll be out there next week.

I know JamesB is working on a Fetzer/Judy Wood interview transcript. Does anyone know if a Fetzer/Colmes transcript is in the works? If not, i'll do it this weekend (I still haven't llstened to it.)

I wasn't planning on an entire transcript. It is two hours long, minus the commercials. I don't know if I can listen to him that long. I have excerpted several parts of both interviews for the blog though.
 
Well, I didn't make it to Ground Zero today. Wound up helping a friend move who was shorthanded. I'll be out there next week.

I know JamesB is working on a Fetzer/Judy Wood interview transcript. Does anyone know if a Fetzer/Colmes transcript is in the works? If not, i'll do it this weekend (I still haven't llstened to it.)


Wow! are the CT'ers gonna be jealous! Gravy has a life! Gravy has friends! Gravy does normal things on a nice Saturday.

My hat remains off to you Gravy, and all your fine work.
 
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I think a study of CTers would be a fascinating one to read. My opinion (humble of course :)) is CTers "think" differently, connect the dots differently, as you suggest, and that's the foundation for belief in CTs. While it often takes a political bent, I don't think it starts with a certain political bent.

I find a lot of the 9/11 CTers are also moon hoaxers believers, chem trail kooks, Waco Wacko's and OKC CTers. The last two are occurred during Clinton's years. Pure anecdotal, for sure.

That doesn't just apply to CTers. Back in 1965 J. C. Furnas coined the term "syndromism", in his book The Life and Times of the Late Demon Rum to describe the tendency for adherents of the temperance movement to hold a particular extended set of opinions on unrelated subjects. I've seen the same sort of thing in leftish activist circles- getting it through some peoples' heads that my opinion about a labor issue was not predictive of my opinion about, say, Mumia Abu Jamal was an exercise in frustration- and much the same sort of clustering seems to be common on the rightish fringe as well.

As a species, we seem to have quite a knack for getting our beliefs in package deals or tie-in sales.
 
Well, I didn't make it to Ground Zero today. Wound up helping a friend move who was shorthanded. I'll be out there next week.

I know JamesB is working on a Fetzer/Judy Wood interview transcript. Does anyone know if a Fetzer/Colmes transcript is in the works? If not, i'll do it this weekend (I still haven't llstened to it.)
So a review on Judy Wood:

a) She claims she was in a coma for a really long time (6 years!)
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=495285

b) She's an assistant professor, not a full professor:
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/mefaculty/Wood.html
But this doesn't matter at all to the 9/11 "scholars":
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html

c) Her research has nothing to do with structural engineering.
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/mefaculty/pdfs/Wood1.pdf

d) She has a very poor grasp of basic kinematics.
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html
 
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BTW, just a quick but funny update about the guy I mentioned in another forum who claims he has heard several tapes of the phone calls from the hijacked planes. He got ridiculed and pressed further to produce these tapes, and he posted a transcript of Larry King with some of the relatives, using clips from the movie "United 93" to show what happened to them, and he tried to pass that off as a tape of the phone call from Mark Bingham, at the same time triumphantly telling me to F off. Hilarious.
 
So a review on Judy Wood:

a) She claims she was in a coma for a really long time (6 years!)
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=495285

b) She's an assistant professor, not a full professor:
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/mefaculty/Wood.html
But this doesn't matter at all to the 9/11 "scholars":
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html

c) Her research has nothing to do with structural engineering.
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/mefaculty/pdfs/Wood1.pdf

d) She has a very poor grasp of basic kinematics.
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

Being an assistant professor isn't that big of a deal, but I did a spreadsheet of the "scholars" for a blog post and found that many weren't even that. There were several "adjunct" professors, which essentially means part time lecturers without a teaching position. Many are "professor emeritus" which means retired, (Fetzer, David Ray Griffin, Morgan Reynolds are some examples). One of the full members is a lab manager at BYU. Most don't list their teaching positions on the website, but if I had to guess, less than 1/2 half actually have tenured academic positions, and even then it is usually in something like philosophy or linguistics.

It wouldn't bother me so much if Jones is a physicist and Woods is a Mechanical Engineer, except there is absolutely nobody else in their organization with even even the remotest qualifications. They rant on about any topic, no matter how insane, and the rest just cheer "Excellent, excellent!"


Did you see Wood's ratings by her students? Vicious. 1.7 out of 4.

Judy Wood's Scorecard
No. of Ratings: 13
Average Easiness: 2.2
Average Helpfulness: 1.9
Average Clarity: 1.4
Hotness Total: 0
Overall Quality: 1.7

Hard to understand at times, and is kinda boring. Definetely get the hw solutions to follow so you can become professient and make sure your doing it right. Hw assignments are a pain in the ass. Due every class, and graded on correctness (get the solutions!). Tests aren't too bad though and grading is reasonable.

Does not need to be teaching.

She is an odd lady, to say the least. She is very good at what she does, but she can't always explain it well enough for students to understand. SHE TAKES FOR EVER TO GIVE EXAMS BACK!!!!! It took here 3 weeks to give an exam back once.

Like others said, she had good intentions and when she wasn't trying to convince us Bush blew up the WTC she was actually nice, but she wasn't a great teacher. Too many times she starts examples and doesn't finish them. And yes, she was in a coma for 6 years. How crazy is that.

She woke up from a coma and decided her calling was to become a professor. She did not really seem to know the material, and she was hopeless at trying to convey it to the student. She fails to be able to complete a thought if not a sentance. If it is possible at all, aviod her.
 
Being an assistant professor isn't that big of a deal, but I did a spreadsheet of the "scholars" for a blog post and found that many weren't even that.
The 911 scholars list her credentials as:
911 Scholars Website said:
Judy Wood (FM)

Civil Engineering, Engineering Mechanics, Materials Engineering Science,
Mechanical Engineering, Clemson University
which is not quite reality.

She also dresses up her cat for Halloween. She's just your standard nut looking for attention.
 
Well I'm halfway in, and I'll predict a very short Viewers' Guide this time around. So far we've had three 'experts', who back their claims up with nothing but their qualifications. It's so weak I can actually watch it without getting even slightly irritated.

Can you image watching this in a cinema? After 30 minutes there have been about a dozen cuts (not including cuts in the stock footage). It's sending my eyes to sleep.

Edit: Ah, it's just a 1 hour trailer for the real thing. Exceptionally dull. Well done, Dylan. Looking forward to the release.

Yeah, that's the smorgasbord thing. Love the interview with Sander Hicks; google him some afternoon when you're looking for a laugh. He's not quite as um, unique as Judy Wood (in a coma for six years?), but still at the far right end of the bell curve on nuttiness.
 
Well, I didn't make it to Ground Zero today. Wound up helping a friend move who was shorthanded. I'll be out there next week.

I know JamesB is working on a Fetzer/Judy Wood interview transcript. Does anyone know if a Fetzer/Colmes transcript is in the works? If not, i'll do it this weekend (I still haven't llstened to it.)

I've already done a fair amount of it--you want to start from say 25 minutes in and I'll stop there? I think the total is under 35 minutes, because Fetzer isn't around for the very ending of the show--Colmes does a five second thing like Hannity.
 
Yeah, that's the smorgasbord thing. Love the interview with Sander Hicks; google him some afternoon when you're looking for a laugh. He's not quite as um, unique as Judy Wood (in a coma for six years?), but still at the far right end of the bell curve on nuttiness.



My favourite statement...

"In Europe, for years, 9/11 was ONLY about the Pentagon attack. The World Trade Centre was a peripheral."

Uh huh.

Certainly respect for the victims shown there.

-Andrew
 
My favourite statement...

"In Europe, for years, 9/11 was ONLY about the Pentagon attack. The World Trade Centre was a peripheral."

Uh huh.

Certainly respect for the victims shown there.

-Andrew

That was because that French idiot wrote that book about how it was a missile. It solds hundreds of thousands of copies. That is where the missile batteries at the Pentagon thing started too.
 
I'm a little behind on the Fetzer/Wood thing so I apologize if this has already been mentioned. I'm listening to it now and not 3 minutes in, he's bitching about how Bush is stiffing NYC and DC when it comes to Homeland Security money, stating that they're our "two most important sites for terrorist attacks."

I would love to know, according to him, when the last time either of those cities were attacked by terrorists. 'Cause we all know terrorists weren't behind 9/11. And odds are the 93 WTC bombing wasn't them either, right?

And there's still another 56 minutes of this *****?
 
Argh...

I got 20 minutes into this LC preview thing and had to stop...

I'm literally SEETHING...and I generally don't get angry. These [rule8]'s!

I can't believe they used a live recorded phone call of someone caught in the towers, at the moment of collapse, as part of their twisted little theory. SICK. Utterly incomprehensible.

:mad:

I need to break something...

-Andrew
 
Argh...

I got 20 minutes into this LC preview thing and had to stop...

I'm literally SEETHING...and I generally don't get angry. These [rule8]'s!

I can't believe they used a live recorded phone call of someone caught in the towers, at the moment of collapse, as part of their twisted little theory. SICK. Utterly incomprehensible.

:mad:

I need to break something...

-Andrew
I believe they got that segment with the phone call from the website with the Moussaoui evidence. I had watched/listened to it without knowing the call would go up to the collapse a few months ago. It left me numb.

That they would use this to promote their third attempt at nailing down "the truth" goes beyond despicable.
 
HE IS STILL SAYING THE HIJACKERS ARE ALIVE?

Wow...just wow. How old is that clip anyways? We don't know of course, I wonder why.

EDIT: Is it possible if I can get the original ;)

Go to the Scholars' website.

Fetzer appears to be Looser than the Loosers, if that's possible.
 
Idiotic Loose Change Forum theory of the day. From nesync, a favorite lunatic over at SLC

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7279

What I still don't get is how in the world is that engine going to be damaged and not explode the wings that were full of fuel. The first pole impact should have done the trick and even altered the aircraft's course but the wings stayed intact and didn’t blow up until they hit the building. It just doesn't add up.
Yeah, a 100 ton aircraft traveling at 500 MPH is going to have its course altered by a 200lb lightpole with a breakaway base.
 
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