Loose Change - Part III

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Brainster said:
I get the sense they are not looking for skeptics:
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I'd give them some benefit of the doubt, since they made the presentation that it most definately was a plane that hit the Pentagon part of their permenant display:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

That was one of the first cohesive efforts to debunk the nonsense displayed by the no-Plane idiots. Its work still stands up to this day. Just don't read the comments since about 1 in 100 actually bothered to read the articel before shooting off their mouths.
 
Brainster said:
Maybe a post on this thread telling them to repent, it's not too late to save their relationships with their families and friends, to drop the conspiracy theories before they end up like Charlie Sheen, whose wife is divorcing him partially over his 9-11 nuttiness?
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Wow, that link with the statements from Sheen's wife is really scary. I know its only one side of a story, but drugs, prostitutes, gambling, and gay (suspected pedophile) porn? Why are the looser so excited to have him on their side?
 
Clearly Sheen's wife is just a gubmint shill attempting to smear his honest name...

-Andrew
 
Orb said:
Wow, that link with the statements from Sheen's wife is really scary. I know its only one side of a story, but drugs, prostitutes, gambling, and gay (suspected pedophile) porn? Why are the looser so excited to have him on their side?
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This page is scarier. The complete explosion over vaccinating the kids and his violent behavior toward his pregnant wife (AND THE PEDIATRICIAN!!!!) is completely insane.

And he calls a CHIROPRACTOR for advice on vaccines?

This guy's fifty times more insane and nasty than I expected.
 
I'll be out there, handing out the link to my debunk of their literature. Thanks, Abby!
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Awesome!

Just a quick note, if you do pass out materials, make sure that you are distinguishable from the CTers. I had some nice chats with them, but when I tried to pass out my own stuff, civilians thought I was with them.

I'm gonna make me a poster saying "9/11 was NOT an inside job. But Manipulating Evidence Can Still Be Fun!" and stay some distance away.

I'm bringing a buddy down to videotape my adventure, but I'm worried that police will frown on videocameras downtown. Or am I thinking about this too much.
 
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OMG! He was emailing pictures of his aroused member to prostitutes on the internet? He also pushed his wife down while she was holding their infant daughter? 17 pages of this stuff?
I'm going to go through my DVD collection tonight and throw out everything he was ever in. I never want to watch another movie with that woo lunatic wifebeating child abusing drug addict bastage again. :a2:
 
Abbyas said:
Awesome!

Just a quick note, if you do pass out materials, make sure that you are distinguishable from the CTers. I had some nice chats with them, but when I tried to pass out my own stuff, civilians thought I was with them.

I'm gonna make me a poster saying "9/11 was NOT an inside job. But Manipulating Evidence Can Still Be Fun!" and stay some distance away.

I'm bringing a buddy down to videotape my adventure, but I'm worried that police will frown on videocameras downtown. Or am I thinking about this too much.
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If it's in a public place there isn't much they can do. If it's private property it's up to the owners (or leasers). If you have footage of other people and want to use it you should get a waiver from them, or obscure their face.
 
Well, they got me.

Of course, they never tell you why they ban you. But if I had to guess, this time was likely due to my throwing JohndoeX's logic bomb back in his face with the pin removed.

This just occurred to me... if the FEMA report trumps the first hand eyewitness testimony of an 18 year veteran of the New York Fire Department, then it also trumps ALL eyewitness testimony.

There goes all your reports of explosions being heard.

I guess the truthseeker cultists believe that it's ok to accept, without question, government reports when it's convenient for them. But for outsiders to point out this behavior or exploit it to thier own advantage is a heinous blasphemy and sacrelige.

Cult brainwashing at it's finest.
 
Orb said:
Wow, that link with the statements from Sheen's wife is really scary. I know its only one side of a story, but drugs, prostitutes, gambling, and gay (suspected pedophile) porn? Why are the looser so excited to have him on their side?
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Because the minute he opened his yap their stuff was getting discussed on Fox and CNN. They're happy even to be abused if it means getting "the word" out. There's a hilarious Opie & Anthony interview with a Truther named John Gold from a couple of years ago that shows how much the guy will put up with to be on the radio. They insult the guy mercilessly the whole time he's trying to put out his case. I'll see if I can find the link. Warning: It's extremely vulgar; it's from Satellite Radio so there are no FCC rules.

A lot of people didn't pay much attention to this. Of course, as a member of the VRWC, I got the email from Rove telling me to check TSG. ;)
 
Abbyas said:
I'm gonna make me a poster saying "9/11 was NOT an inside job. But Manipulating Evidence Can Still Be Fun!" and stay some distance away.

I'm bringing a buddy down to videotape my adventure, but I'm worried that police will frown on videocameras downtown. Or am I thinking about this too much.
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Oh, snap!
If anyone has questions you can't answer, you can always refer them to me across the street. I know the NY911truth.org literature inside and out.

My technique is to only hand my material to those who've gotten info from the CTs.

There's no law against photography in any public space in NYC. Thousands of people take photos at Ground Zero every day, so don't fret about that. My only concern is that the police generally don't like "protest-related" activities at GZ. They might ask you to...move across the street. (If they do haul you away, I'll take pictures!)
 
Orb said:
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OMG! He was emailing pictures of his aroused member to prostitutes on the internet? He also pushed his wife down while she was holding their infant daughter? 17 pages of this stuff?
I'm going to go through my DVD collection tonight and throw out everything he was ever in. I never want to watch another movie with that woo lunatic wifebeating child abusing drug addict bastage again. :a2:
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Hey, Charlie ruled in Red Dawn. Wolverines!!!!
 
JamesB said:
Hey, Charlie ruled in Red Dawn. Wolverines!!!!
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Red Dawn was more of an ensemble cast, with no one member carrrying the show.

Sheen's current behavior is an excellent reason to keep Red Dawn in your collection as nothing goes against Sheen's current nonsense quite like a two hour campaign ad for a president who pushed the largest peacetime buildup in military history on the grounds that America needed protection from an "evil empire".
 
MarkyX said:
My latest piece: Comparing the traits of a cult to the "Truth" Movement.

http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/cult.htm

First draft, expect spelling errors and poor grammar
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I thought long and hard about posting something on the now defunct United 93 movie boards about the truthseekers similarities to cult indoctrination, but every rough draft I came up with in my head came out as a giant piece of troll bait designed to inflame and outrage what I called "the tinfoil turbans" (I frequently described the truthseekers as being evolved from extremist islam due to the effect thier movement has on the wests political will to fight the war on terror).

But there is an actual serious observation I have on the truthers and thier similarities to religious movements.

I am happy as a member of the mormon faith. And yes, we are very much a missionary church. When new converts join the church and find a place within it, I'm happy for them too.

That being said, I have observed in new members of the church, a passion for the new "truth" they have found and a strong desire to share it with others. This "urge to convert" starts off very strong and most often diminishes in time as they find an equilibrium that is comfortable for them.

The attitudes of the truthseekers bear a strong similarity to this behavior. They come upon a truth wich they believe will save the world and go about with a desperate urgency to share it with as many as who will listen. The truthseeker faith pushes proselytization every bit as strongly as mine does.

The difference between the newly minted mormons I have observed and the truthseekers (a cult name if there ever was one) is the truthseekers combine with a madness and a belief that the truth must be known NOW. My own religion has one or more doctrinal "escape hatches" that tend to temper the compulsions of fresh converts.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. - Joseph Smith; "The Articles of Faith"

The truthseekers appear to have no similar doctrine of tolerance as is evidenced by thier labelling infidels and unbelievers as CIA disinformation agents or even reptilian shapeshifters (my personal favorite).
 
Abbyas said:
Awesome!
I'm bringing a buddy down to videotape my adventure, but I'm worried that police will frown on videocameras downtown. Or am I thinking about this too much.
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The only time you need a release is if you are going to broadcast it, or make money on it. If you are nervous, PM me and I'll send you a standard release form.

That's how we do news on any given day, on any given corner. I've worked for the 3 lettered networks, PBS, and a raft of cable folks with longer names.

In a public place, fire at will. If it is smaller than a betacam, then "hey, I'm just a tourist."
I might see you guys there, if I can tear myself away from a deadline. I'll id, but not engage. (saving myself for Sept 11, 2006 Ninja work which is why I won't register over there.)
 
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