Loose Change - Part III

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azazal said:
Huh?????????????
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Just one problem with that theory, the Air Force doesn't have 767 tankers. There was a proposal for them to lease 100 from Boeing in 2002, but it was cancelled due to a bribery scandal. Besides, if they were leased, you would think the company would notice they were short 4 planes.
 
Chuck Sheen Gets Carried Away

From the Loosers Forum:

No offense but noobs to truth never realize how big this truth movement has become. There are seriously BILLIONS involved and growing.
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I wonder if it's productive to claim that; isn't part of the allure of the CT that only a select few are smart enough to see through the smokescreen?
 
JamesB said:
Just one problem with that theory, the Air Force doesn't have 767 tankers. There was a proposal for them to lease 100 from Boeing in 2002, but it was cancelled due to a bribery scandal. Besides, if they were leased, you would think the company would notice they were short 4 planes.
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Damn you and your inconvenient facts.
 
Brainster said:
From the Loosers Forum:



I wonder if it's productive to claim that; isn't part of the allure of the CT that only a select few are smart enough to see through the smokescreen?
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But the "truth" movement has a secret weapon. From the Journal of 9/11 Scholars forum:

http://www.atfreeforum.com/911studies/viewtopic.php?t=7&start=30&mforum=911studies

Also, there are several thousand structural engineers working with the 9/11 truth movement from all over the world.

st911.org and SPINE are not the only groups and an extensive amount are not part of the Internet campaign.

There are enough of us to deal with anyone who turns up on the Internet...
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Of course a simple reply to name one, got the following response

As for getting peoples names, you are not authorised to have such information. The answer is no.
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Even to pro-conspiracy moderator wants to know why not.
 
JamesB said:
Just one problem with that theory, the Air Force doesn't have 767 tankers. There was a proposal for them to lease 100 from Boeing in 2002, but it was cancelled due to a bribery scandal. Besides, if they were leased, you would think the company would notice they were short 4 planes.
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Retroactively, even!
 
I've been quietly following this thread (and the hijinks over at the LC forums) since it began. But I found this thread over at LC to be very telling:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7124

It's started by LiveFreeorDieTryin who calls his father a coward for not believing "the truth". (Whether his story is true, who knows.) Other Loosers begin chiming in and relaying their conflicts with relatives or they offer an excuse for why said relative is ignoring them.

What's funny to me, is that they all mention how smart the 'unbelieving' relative is (colek's father is a lawyer, pr0mythius parents have a PHD and 3 masters between them, JerryB9105's son was the first in his family to go to college, etc). But they never seem to make the link between intelligence and critical thinking.

That whole thread is just sad.

(sorry for the derail)
 
I was thinking. Why do the Loosers deny the panacake collapse theory? Surely it works to their advantage because it reduces the amount of explosives required to achieve the collapse of the tower. By just having explosives sever the supports holding say one or two floors then the same collapse would happen, but with a much smaller number of explosives required. They wouldn't have to answer half as many questions about collapse times, cutting beams, explosives in the lobby etc, ie the main points they can't answer because they're wrong.

Obviously I know it's still a ridiculous idea, but the conspiracy theory seems to have be as different as possible from the official explanation. A good comparison I suppose would be having someone else shoot JFK, but from exactly the same position as Oswald. That way the theory is identical to the official story, but Oswald is the patsy. They'd never buy it because it's not different enough. How wierd is that?

ETA: And this is my 911th post too...
 
They fail to explain why explosives would pulverise concrete. Unless I'm missing something, to destroy the concrete would need charges placed in it, and then it would most likely split it and maybe turn the immediate area to dust. The charges need to be placed to destroy the structure, which is steel, so that means the charges need to go near the columns, both perimeter and core, and this wouldn't turn the concrete to dust, well as far as I know it wouldn't.
 
Johnny Pixels said:
They fail to explain why explosives would pulverise concrete. Unless I'm missing something, to destroy the concrete would need charges placed in it, and then it would most likely split it and maybe turn the immediate area to dust. The charges need to be placed to destroy the structure, which is steel, so that means the charges need to go near the columns, both perimeter and core, and this wouldn't turn the concrete to dust, well as far as I know it wouldn't.
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I did the figures, assuming a C-4 charge placed every 4 feet, as to how much would be required to pulverize the concrete.

It's about 450 tons worth.

If you space the charges out farther, it grows even larger.
 
VespaGuy said:
What's funny to me, is that they all mention how smart the 'unbelieving' relative is (colek's father is a lawyer, pr0mythius parents have a PHD and 3 masters between them, JerryB9105's son was the first in his family to go to college, etc). But they never seem to make the link between intelligence and critical thinking.
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Yeah, it sometimes seems that nobody over on that board has a clue as to grammar, spelling, etc. The initial writer talks about honny honjore; I mean, if this thing is so important to your life that you're getting into arguments with family about it, you'd think you could at least get the names right.

I do feel sorry for the folks who really believe this nonsense (billions of them according to Chuck Sheen). I don't feel sorry for the sharpies like Fetzer and Avery and Jones who are fleecing them.
 
Huntsman said:
I did the figures, assuming a C-4 charge placed every 4 feet, as to how much would be required to pulverize the concrete.

It's about 450 tons worth.

If you space the charges out farther, it grows even larger.
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I don't suppose there's any way of working out the minimum time to plant those charges, ie time taken to drill into concrete or steel + time taken to plant C-4, just to give an idea of how ridiculous the idea of fitting the whole thing into the power down periods that they suggest?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Well, they've degenerated to character assassination of Randi and mud-slinging the term "cult" as a defense now http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6986&st=90 Can this be considered a death rattle, or is it just the final straw of their own sanity snapping?
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Now that is both sad and hilarious, JREF members are a cult? Despite the fact that all those loosers have downed an entire brewery worth of Avery's Kool-Aid? Hypocrites!
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Well, they've degenerated to character assassination of Randi and mud-slinging the term "cult" as a defense now http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6986&st=90 Can this be considered a death rattle, or is it just the final straw of their own sanity snapping?
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LOL, didn't realize that I'd been brought up in an actual thread over there. That's funny.

"In fact that is one of the regulations I was asked to follow before I would be made a mod. I was told to publicly keep the cult reference on the down low."

"One of the regulations, huh? Apparently she missed the word "suggestion" in my post. As if I had any power to make decisions here anyways.
 
Huntsman said:
I did the figures, assuming a C-4 charge placed every 4 feet, as to how much would be required to pulverize the concrete.

It's about 450 tons worth.

If you space the charges out farther, it grows even larger.
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Huntsman, do your figures apply to the sort of linear shaped charges used by professional demolition contractors in the civilian market, or do they apply to the use of bulk explosives to break things by brute force?

Either way the CTer claims seem to go smash against ugly reality- if you postulate the use of shaped charges to cut the steel (and kicker charges to prevent the cut ends from jamming together and continuing to act in compression), the question of how the conspirators could have gained the direct access to structural members that would require and conceal all trace of their activities in a working office building. If you assume bulk explosives, then the question becomes one of how you bring in and place such large quantities of explosives while concealing your activities and avoid producing the signs that such a big KABOOM would leave behind.
 
The 9/11 scholars journal message board is fascinating. Way to go, gentlemen, in defending science.

Every Sat, the truthers go down to the WTC with some pamphlets and banners. A few saturdays ago I went down there and was amazed by the amount of information these people didn't know. This sat, I'm going back with a comedic piece that I wrote proving that I was responsible and links to Gravy's piece and the 911myths site. This time I will stand across the street with my own placard as last time people just assumed I was another CTer.

I certainly don't expect that I will change any of their minds, but maybe some people will think before they jump on the loose change bandwagon. Or not. But, hell, it'll make for a good video.
 
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