Loose Change - Part III

[realitybites]

You can read it here.

I just about spewed my Yuengling all over the screen when I read the posts after that email asking people to deluge Oprah with requests to get DOCTOR Griffin on her show.

Apparently they were too busy digging for the truth to catch that whole James Frey incident. She already unwittingly made a fool of herself then.

That she'd even consciously consider to go back for seconds by having these guys on her show is most amusing.

 

[gumboot]

I just saw some video with Fetzer... that man is mad!

Where do they get them?

-Andrew

 

[WildCat]

So, I've been lurking on the madness at the LC forum. johndoex claims to be an airline pilot. What are the odds he is, I wonder...

 

[DavidJames]

So, I've been lurking on the madness at the LC forum. johndoex claims to be an airline pilot. What are the odds he is, I wonder...

I think he takes quite a few flights of fancy

He's great, he howled loudly when I called him a CTer, now in one of his more recent posts he pretty much admits to it.

He's a full blooded CTer, but he's to cowardly to admit it because he knows once he "comes out", all the questions he's asking will come right back at him and it's pretty clear, he gets all his info from TV and CT sights and isn't able to debate worth a damn.

 

[realitybites]

I think he takes quite a few flights of fancy

He's great, he howled loudly when I called him a CTer, now in one of his more recent posts he pretty much admits to it.

He's a full blooded CTer, but he's to cowardly to admit it because he knows once he "comes out", all the questions he's asking will come right back at him and it's pretty clear, he gets all his info from TV and CT sights and isn't able to debate worth a damn.

Off-topic, I know. But is it possible to howl softly?

.... Perhaps a question better suited in another JREF forum.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Off-topic, I know. But is it possible to howl softly?

.... Perhaps a question better suited in another JREF forum.

Perhaps Meffy would know the answer to that one.

 

[chipmunk stew]

You can download it from here. Fetzer seems to be becoming the spokesman for these nutters, which is probably a good thing for our side. He'll be on Laura Ingraham tomorrow; I suspect that she'll fillet him.

Just listening to Fetzer on Colmes now; he repeats the nonsense about Underwriters' Laboratory certifying the structural steel.

Oh. My. God.

I hope this gets distributed far and wide.

As chucksheen so eloquently puts it:

 

[Johnny Pixels]

So, I've been lurking on the madness at the LC forum. johndoex claims to be an airline pilot. What are the odds he is, I wonder...

I wonder that too. A quote from him:

Jet fuel is kerosene (just more refined)... we used it in our diesel gas trucks when i worked ramps pumping gas into airplanes as i was coming through the ranks...

As far as I know, airline pilots don't start off as ground crew. And diesel trucks won't run on jet fuel. And why would you use expensive jet fuel instead of cheap diesel?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I just listened to the Fetzer/Colmes mp3.

Is it just me, or did he sound like he was constantly out of breath to anyone else? I swear, he stopped to breathe on almost every 3rd syllable. It's like he was about to have a coronary right there on the phone with Colmes.

Did I hear Fetzer right that he claimed that the Scholars count civil engineers among thier ranks? I just did a quick search of thier members list and found the words "structural engineer" appears only twice. Both times next to the names of associate members (not FULL members) and each time the structural engineering is listed second, after what I assume is thier main field of expertise?

 

[gumboot]

As far as I know, airline pilots don't start off as ground crew. And diesel trucks won't run on jet fuel. And why would you use expensive jet fuel instead of cheap diesel?

Me thinks there's some holes is this here plot...

-Andrew

 

[Shrinker]

I wonder that too. A quote from him:



As far as I know, airline pilots don't start off as ground crew. And diesel trucks won't run on jet fuel. And why would you use expensive jet fuel instead of cheap diesel?

I don't know about the fuel, but I'd heard that trainee pilots will take any work they can get in the airline industry while they wait for positions to become available. A friend of mine knows a pilot who spent quite a while working as a flight attendant. That's all I know though.

 

[Johnny Pixels]

I don't know about the fuel, but I'd heard that trainee pilots will take any work they can get in the airline industry while they wait for positions to become available. A friend of mine knows a pilot who spent quite a while working as a flight attendant. That's all I know though.

This could well be true, but working as cabin staff makes more sense as the pilot needs to know how they work, so getting that experience would be beneficial, but ground crew seem to be a different thing altogether, but that might just be me.

Johndoex also claims to have flown at 2000ft regularly between Laguardia and JFK. This was in response to his claim that the twin towers were designed to take a full speed, full load, just taken off, aircraft strike, not just a low fuel, low speed, lost in fog, trying to land. I pointed that the nearest airports were 8 miles away from the WTC complex, and I wanted to know why a plane would be flying at 1300ft, and therefore endangering the towers, when it took off 8 miles away.

 

[Shrinker]

This could well be true, but working as cabin staff makes more sense as the pilot needs to know how they work, so getting that experience would be beneficial, but ground crew seem to be a different thing altogether, but that might just be me.

You're quite right, but I also saw an episode of Airline where one of the ground crew was taking his exams for a job on the cabin crew, so I guess they move around.

Johndoex also claims to have flown at 2000ft regularly between Laguardia and JFK. This was in response to his claim that the twin towers were designed to take a full speed, full load, just taken off, aircraft strike, not just a low fuel, low speed, lost in fog, trying to land. I pointed that the nearest airports were 8 miles away from the WTC complex, and I wanted to know why a plane would be flying at 1300ft, and therefore endangering the towers, when it took off 8 miles away.

I haven't followed all his claims but I'm guessing he probably is a pilot of some sort. If he was making it up, he'd probably make up some real insider bombshells too. As it is, his 'pilot' status doesn't really seem to be bringing any dramatic new information into the equation. Mostly he sems to be just dabbling around at the fringes of his own knowledge. We can all do that, and reach any conclusion we want. eg my paragraph above.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Crosspost, since it will probably get me suspended/banned again:

Millions of Germans can't be wrong.

Considering the subject.. again, it doesnt matter who is right or wrong. If the people want answers, and the govt refuses, revolutions start. People die. get it?

the people run the govt, the govt doesnt run the people. Which goes back to your german statement.

And that post sums up the problem I have with the "Truth" movement. Look at what was written and look close:

"Considering the subject.. again, it doesnt matter who is right or wrong. If the people want answers, and the govt refuses, revolutions start."

Don't you think you should have your story together; be sure that you are right; and can prove through objective, verifiable means that you are right; before you start pushing forward in such a manner that you admit could undermine the stability of the nation?

This is the same problem as with your "asking questions" line. You're not asking questions, you're asking leading questions; and, in doing so, you spread information quickly, at the cost of veracity.

 

[60hzxtl]

I wonder that too. A quote from him:

As far as I know, airline pilots don't start off as ground crew. And diesel trucks won't run on jet fuel. And why would you use expensive jet fuel instead of cheap diesel?

Just a word on that fuel in 'truck' , from someone with NO military experience, and not a pilot, but I've spen LOTS of time on aircraft carriers -

On a carrier, they tow they planes around with a vehicle - refereed to as a tractor, or a huffer, (sometimes used to turn over a jet engine.) On the carriers I was on, (five of them and counting) they ran on JP-5 the same thng that the F-18s ran on. The ship is then only required to load, store and carry one kind of fuel. (aside from that glowee fuel they say they run the ship with, but then since I've never seen it, and in the thought process of a ct'er, Nuh uh, I don't know how it works how can that be?)

 

[Johnny Pixels]

You're quite right, but I also saw an episode of Airline where one of the ground crew was taking his exams for a job on the cabin crew, so I guess they move around.

I haven't followed all his claims but I'm guessing he probably is a pilot of some sort. If he was making it up, he'd probably make up some real insider bombshells too. As it is, his 'pilot' status doesn't really seem to be bringing any dramatic new information into the equation. Mostly he sems to be just dabbling around at the fringes of his own knowledge. We can all do that, and reach any conclusion we want. eg my paragraph above.

I think you're right. It wouldn't be right to speculate.

 

[Johnny Pixels]

Just a word on that fuel in 'truck' , from someone with NO military experience, and not a pilot, but I've spen LOTS of time on aircraft carriers -

On a carrier, they tow they planes around with a vehicle - refereed to as a tractor, or a huffer, (sometimes used to turn over a jet engine.) On the carriers I was on, (five of them and counting) they ran on JP-5 the same thng that the F-18s ran on. The ship is then only required to load, store and carry one kind of fuel. (aside from that glowee fuel they say they run the ship with, but then since I've never seen it, and in the thought process of a ct'er, Nuh uh, I don't know how it works how can that be?)

I did check out the different properties of jet fuel and diesel. One site gave a very different autoignition temp for the two, and one gave a very similar, so it may well be true that using jet fuel in diesel trucks is normal and possible. It was mainly intuition that guided me, rather than thinking, so for me.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Digging myself in deeper

Watch this video Arkan.. if you want to stop the will of the people..

I never said I wanted to "stop the will of the people", please don't imply that I did so. What I said is that you have a duty, that if you want to influence the will of the people that you better damn well be sure that you are doing so with facts, and proveable evidence; not with leading questions and conjecture.

ETA: And that the will of the people is constrained by the laws of the nation, i.e. The Constitution.

you need to stop this propaganda machine. Also note the rating and awards this show receives.

No matter how you spin it, or deny it, because "you may not watch TV", the TV propaganda machine works both ways.. and people listen.

The type of stuff on this video is happening on show after show...

Watch it.. dont make the mistake of dismissing it.

http://www.freepressinternational.com/lega...ader-james.html

The difference between that show, and this forum, is that the bullet-points that Spader makes are grounded on proveable facts, and have been made public through reputable sources.
The similarity between that show, and this forum, is that they are both works of fiction.

 

[azazal]

I did check out the different properties of jet fuel and diesel. One site gave a very different autoignition temp for the two, and one gave a very similar, so it may well be true that using jet fuel in diesel trucks is normal and possible. It was mainly intuition that guided me, rather than thinking, so for me.

Ahh, but you see you looked for evidence and listened to those around you that have first hand knowledge. When new info arrived, you updated and changed your POV, something CTers are completly unable to do.

 

[60hzxtl]

Ahh, but you see you looked for evidence and listened to those around you that have first hand knowledge. When new info arrived, you updated and changed your POV, something CTers are completly unable to do.

Yeah Mr. Pixels' (Hey wasn't he the guy in Superman?) Not beating you up at all, we just have an expanse of knowledge and experience around here.

(My wife calls it a head full of useless information, I prefer to think of it as 'eclectic knowledge.' but often they are equal!)