Loose Change - Part III

[dubfan]

You can download it from here. Fetzer seems to be becoming the spokesman for these nutters, which is probably a good thing for our side. He'll be on Laura Ingraham tomorrow; I suspect that she'll fillet him.

Just listening to Fetzer on Colmes now; he repeats the nonsense about Underwriters' Laboratory certifying the structural steel.

HIGHLY recommended listening.

But not if you have high blood pressure.

 

[delphi_ote]

I am getting so tired of the "I don't subscribe to any 'theory' (conspiracy or gov't), I'm just asking questions!" defense. It's the dang Chewbacca defense all over again.

Or the creationist "Teach the Controversy" defense.

 

[Brainster]

http://www.911blogger.com/

Tuesday, June 27, 2006

Dr. Jim Fetzer on Alan Colmes Radio Show - Open Thread

After I read more, it's not quite as bad, but clearly many are not happy with his performance.

Some of them are convinced that Colmes bought into the CD theory. I'll have to listen to it again, but I suspect that Colmes just restated or summarized Fetzer's position to clarify.

I loved the way Fetzer kept ducking questions about the passengers. Colmes would ask him about the passengers and he'd start talking about tail numbers; in part his attempts to dodge the passengers led him to make that ill-advised comment about Barbara Olson. At one point he does acknowledge that there were bodies found at the scene, but then goes off onto the "maybe the passengers all got onto one plane" nonsense that Dylan tried to sell at the end of LC.

 

[hellaeon]

wow...I thought I had seen the top of the pyramid of idiocy on this. Im stunned. Fetzer is freakin batsh*t loony.

 

[JamesB]

http://www.911blogger.com/

Tuesday, June 27, 2006

Dr. Jim Fetzer on Alan Colmes Radio Show - Open Thread

After I read more, it's not quite as bad, but clearly many are not happy with his performance.

Here's what Fetzer says on the thread:


There is a lot of rubbish on this thread, which is purely ad hominem and without foundation. Colmes was trying to steer me away from the scientific evidence, to which I was eventually able to return.

This is verbal combat, sports fans, not a cordial conversation. He was in attack mode from scratch. Some of you seem to have missed that. LISTEN TO IT AGAIN! And list the points that you agree with and disagree with!

It's fine that some of you like David Ray Griffin's or Steve Jones' style better than you do mine. That's great! Because we and Morgan and Kevin and Bob are all out there doing our thing. None of us is the same as the others. We are all working on it!

Those of you who praise Hoffman while attacking me are fascinating. In case any of you haven't read them, I have two pieces about Hoffman's attacks on me and on Scholars posted on st911.org. Maybe you should read them.
Jim Fetzer

Oh please, Colmes entire job on TV is to be pushed around by Sean Hannity, he couldn't have been more cordial with Fetzer if he tried, Fetzer just kept on going psycho with the callers.

 

[Kent1]

Oh please, Colmes entire job on TV is to be pushed around by Sean Hannity, he couldn't have been more cordial with Fetzer if he tried, Fetzer just kept on going psycho with the callers.

Here are his other two messages on the boardAt least he gives himself a C but A for content LOL!!!)


Interesting reading. Thanks for these comments. I can't understand the guy who keeps asking "Who put Fetzer on the program?" It was the same person who puts everyone on any program, the producer! He called me from New York the day after my appearance on Hannity & Colmes to invite me on. There is no mystery. That's what producers do. The very insinuation that there's something mysterious here is extremely odd, but I chaulk it up to ignorance. As for the Barbara Olson business, I mentioned it in passing and said as I did so that I had not been able to verify it. I think some of you are getting just a bit carried away with what might be called "inside 9/11" (in parallel with "inside baseball"). Just because someone talks about or even mentions--as I did in this case--something with which you happen to disagree should not cause you to disregard or discount everything else they are saying or have ever said. That is an example of special pleading by citing only the evidence that supports your side! I have offered a yardstick to evaluate what happened here. Make a list of my points and divide it into those you liked and those you did not. I must have made between 30 and 50 points, many of which, I would bet, are either not commonly heard on radio or television or are never heard on radio or televison. So get a life! I am a great fan of David Ray Griffin and of Steve Jones. If you like what they do better than what I do, great! But understand that we are all doing what we can to promote 9/11 truth--even if we are fallible human beings who are practically never flawness in what we say and do. Just think about it and do your best to get the word out. That's what I do! I appreciated having the chance to talk with Alan Colmes. You may not have that chance. But you talk with real people every day. Do what you can to make them aware of the issues. We need your help!



This is very, very interesting. Douglas sent me a note yesterday saying that, in spite of his criticism of me on this forum, he still supports the society I founded with Steve Jones. I don't know where else you are going to look for scholarly expertise, because we have it and this forum does not. I am not thereby criticizing this forum, by the way, since 911blogger was not set up for that purpose. I do think that a lot of the criticism advanced here is far off base. My style was over the top, but my content was right on the mark.

Self-Evaluation: Style: C. Content: A.

P.S. About the engine part that was found at the Pentagon, the point that I was making is that no Boeing engine parts were found there. The part that was appears to have come from a JT8D, an engine used in the A-3 Sky Warrior. I thought the fact that I was talking about no Boeing engine parts begin found there was obvious from the context. This complaint is contrived.

I also find it fascinating that some of your are "piling on" with Hoffman's attacks on me and Scholars. I sent him my reply to his first attack on me and Scholars, but he refused to publish it on his site. I think my second reply to his second attack explains why. Go to st911.org and scroll down the list of "Articles" if you want my responses to what he has been saying about us.
Jim Fetzer | Homepage | 06.28.06 - 2:58 pm | #

 

[Brainster]

Here are his other two messages on the boardAt least he gives himself a C but A for content LOL!!!)

This is very, very interesting. Douglas sent me a note yesterday saying that, in spite of his criticism of me on this forum, he still supports the society I founded with Steve Jones. I don't know where else you are going to look for scholarly expertise, because we have it and this forum does not. I am not thereby criticizing this forum, by the way, since 911blogger was not set up for that purpose. I do think that a lot of the criticism advanced here is far off base. My style was over the top, but my content was right on the mark.

Self-Evaluation: Style: C. Content: A.

I love the way he squeaked like a girl every time he got upset.

 

[dubfan]

That is an example of special pleading by citing only the evidence that supports your side!

You blind, lunatic, mother****er.

 

[Ducky]

Here's a quote I really want the CTers to realize:

"Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't." -Mark Twain.

 

[Kent1]

Here's a quote I really want the CTers to realize:

"Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't." -Mark Twain.

It gets better tommorrow night, I can't wait....

29 June 2006
Interview: Judy (Billiard balls) Wood will be the guest on
"Non-Random Thoughts" with host Jim Fetzer
11 AM to 1 PM/CT (Noon-2 PM/ET and 9-11 AM/PT)
Non-Random Thoughts, live page, archive, (mp3-1), (mp3-2)
http://www.st911.org/

 

[JamesB]

As for the Barbara Olson business, I mentioned it in passing and said as I did so that I had not been able to verify it.

You haven't been able to verify it because it is bogus. That is like saying, I think the moon is made out of green cheese, but I havne't been able to verify it.

is an example of special pleading by citing only the evidence that supports your side!

Which explains why he discussed the hundreds of witnesses to the Pentagon, rescue workers who found bodies still strapped to the plane seats, the flight manifests received by the 9/11 commission showing the hijackers....

P.S. About the engine part that was found at the Pentagon, the point that I was making is that no Boeing engine parts were found there. The part that was appears to have come from a JT8D, an engine used in the A-3 Sky Warrior. I thought the fact that I was talking about no Boeing engine parts begin found there was obvious from the context. This complaint is contrived.

Yeah, according to distinguished scholar Karl Schwarz, who got his aeronautical degree making paper airplanes at Jefferson Davis Middle School in Little Rock Arkansas I believe.

I don't know where else you are going to look for scholarly expertise, because we have it and this forum does not.

What an arrogant &^*#? Does he think the fact he is a flipping philosophy professor somehow makes him superior to everyone else? I can see this movment falling apart soon, when they all get tired of each other's arrogance and start killing each other.

 

[Kent1]

Here's a huge article on him
http://citypages.com/databank/27/1334/article14475.asp

Look at these photos of him..LOL!!

 

[XXX]

Just finished listening to the Fetzer interview. Wow.

You can almost visualize Alan shaking his head as he says "So you don't think Barbera Olson is dead?" I think that's when he realized just how much of a nutcase he had on his show.

 

[SezMe]

Here's a huge article on him
http://citypages.com/databank/27/1334/article14475.asp

Look at these photos of him..LOL!!

LOL?? You're laughing at how he looks? That's a) childish and b) diverts attention from the issue.

 

[Gravy]

Here's a huge article on him
http://citypages.com/databank/27/1334/article14475.asp

Look at these photos of him..LOL!!

Juicy!
I'm going to wait a day or two to listen to the Colmes interview, though. I still haven't purged my system of the toxic LC interviews.

 

[JamesB]

These are my favorite comments from the 911blogger Fetzer thread. I wish I could get the original e-mail:

I got a response to my email to the professors already!

From a civil engineering professor, here's his email... (are we not surprised?)


"What Steven Jones knows about structural engineering wouldn't fill a
thimble.

Stop sending me this moronic "evidence". You are only embarrassing
yourself."

 

[Kent1]

LOL?? You're laughing at how he looks? That's a) childish and b) diverts attention from the issue.

If the issue his mental instability, then it fits right in.
If you want raw facts about how Fetzer doesn't have a clue what he's talking, about. OK, he stated "None of those hijackers were named on any passenger manifest."
Fetzer takes his poor research from Griffin's crappy book
"The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions"

http://graphics.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/images/aa_flight_11_manifest.gif

http://www.911myths.com/html/omissions____chapter_1.html

 

[Brainster]

These are my favorite comments from the 911blogger Fetzer thread. I wish I could get the original e-mail:

You can read it here.

 

[JamesB]

If the issue his mental instability, then it fits right in.
If you want raw facts about how Fetzer doesn't have a clue what he's talking, about. OK, he stated "None of those hijackers were named on any passenger manifest."
Fetzer takes his poor research from Griffin's crappy book
"The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions"

http://graphics.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/images/aa_flight_11_manifest.gif

http://www.911myths.com/html/omissions____chapter_1.html

I got involved in an e-mail exchange with a philosophy professor who is one of the "scholars" who wrote an editorial in the Seattle-PI. I pointed out this CNN fallacy without even asking him what his source was. It took me a half dozen e-mails to get this moron to admit that hijackers are not considered "victims". It was like pulling teeth. He just kept droning on about how philosophical and learned he was. God, these people are arrogant.

When I brought up how Griffin had misused evidence I just called him Mr. Griffin. When he replied he went back and edited every occurence of that in the text to Dr. Griffin. His bolding not mine. I told him, that as soon as they started following some minimal standard of academic standards, I would start referring to them as Dr.

 

[SRW]

I cannot believe that they continually get away with this BS that Cell phones do not work on Jets. I have left my phone on by mistake and although I did not answer the signal sure was getting to me.

This from IEEE Xplore (1998)


http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=675091

Abstract
The passenger aircraft is one of the last places on earth yet to be invaded by the mobile phone. Safety is the major reason forbidding their use, with interference to navigation equipment cited as the principal hazard. Surprisingly, tests have shown that mobile phones actually work very well in the air. The aircraft structure does not prevent communication with the ground-the windows may well act as a form of slotted waveguide antenna-and coverage is excellent. The drawback, as far as the mobile operators are concerned, is that a mobile phone operating at 30000 ft can be seen by many cells at any one time, playing havoc with frequency reuse between cells. A number of approaches to enabling ordinary mobile phones to be used on board an aircraft have been studied. The author looks at some of the developments that should bring seamless communications from ground level to 30000 ft. In particular the author discusses the potential of aircraft based satellite communication using INMARSAT

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But the CS nuts say it is imposable because one guy cannot fly and dial at the same time.