Loose Change - Part III

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Sheesh, I mean, what are the odds of finding a guy in Manhattan in his thirties who wears a suit? Like that could happen.

Wait... detectives don't wear uniforms.

Ah hah! That proves it's a plant. Only a CIA agent (or maybe MiB - I'm still hedging a black suit) would know he was a detective!

It's all so clear! Quick, new investigation! Call the FBI. Wait. No. They're in on it. Um. The NYPD. No, they're in on it too.

Hmmm. Who's gonna investigate?

I know! The only people shown to really care about the victims, who aren't bought out by the illuminati!

Let the makers of LC be the prosecution!

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I' just in awe of what Gravy has done here. Joined 3 months ago, 1130 posts and almost single-handedly destroyed whatever credibility the Loose Change movie had to the point only the true zealots cling to that thoroughly debunked piece of trash.

MikeW, you have also done a fantastic job w/ that 911 Myths site, it has been a great resource to me and I'm glad to see you here at the JREF boards.

Oops! Almost forgot Brainster and MarkyX, you two also do great work!

And delphi, thanks for getting the ball rolling!

Thanks to all here who've worked on this, especially Gravy, Markyx and my blogging partner, James B. The work that has been done here and elsewhere will be a reference tool for generations, long after Dylan Avery has moved on to directing WWF videos.
 
I think the terrorists would keep their passports with them because, well, where else would they leave them? In a hotel room, for the authorities to find afterwards, making the investigation easier? Or on their person, where more than likely they will be burnt/lost/destroyed? Makes sense to me.


Also, in point of fact, "freefall" is not a speed. When you are in freefall, you are under acceleration. Sorry to be so picky.


On second thought....when you reach terminal velocity, are you still in freefall? I'll have to think about that one....
 
I think the terrorists would keep their passports with them because, well, where else would they leave them? In a hotel room, for the authorities to find afterwards, making the investigation easier? Or on their person, where more than likely they will be burnt/lost/destroyed? Makes sense to me.


Also, in point of fact, "freefall" is not a speed. When you are in freefall, you are under acceleration. Sorry to be so picky.


On second thought....when you reach terminal velocity, are you still in freefall? I'll have to think about that one....


Surely free-fall is the rate of acceleration under gravity, in a vacuum isn't it? So under free-fall you could not reach terminal velocity (that being the speed at which resistance equals rate of acceleration, resulting in a constant speed from then on). Under free-fall conditions (no resistance) a body would simply continue to accelerate until some other force stopped its movement.

-Andrew
 
(that being the speed at which resistance equals rate of acceleration, resulting in a constant speed from then on) is the definition of terminal velocity.

It happens in a gravity field, where, in a vacuum, acceleration would remain constant (assuming the observed body has orders of magnitude less mass than the center of gravity shared with whatever body it is accelerating toward) because wind resistance increases at the square of the velocity. If there were no gravity, and hence no acceleration, the object would eventually stop due to friction (drag) - like a car running out a road normal to the gravitational pull.
 
Oh gawd...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121

JFK II is an incredible documentary film that totally destroys any notion of Lee Harvey Oswald being responsible for the murder of ... all » President John F. Kennedy. Packed with original and new footage, JFK II provides strong clues as to who was really behind the assassination.

This examination of the ecidence is meticulous ans well-documented. JFK II ia a criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush and establishws beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy.


EDIT: Spelling errors are unchanged from the included synopsis on google video.

Holy mother of...
 
Include Chipmunk in that list.
Thanks, but at best I'm a mascot next to these star players. Maybe a male cheerleader. A rodeo clown? I know! I'm one of those guys who teases the bull and gets him all pissed off and ready to fight before the bullfighter enters the ring. An important role, perhaps, but nobody will remember the guy's name.
 
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I' just in awe of what Gravy has done here. Joined 3 months ago, 1130 posts and almost single-handedly destroyed whatever credibility the Loose Change movie had to the point only the true zealots cling to that thoroughly debunked piece of trash.

MikeW, you have also done a fantastic job w/ that 911 Myths site, it has been a great resource to me and I'm glad to see you here at the JREF boards.

Oops! Almost forgot Brainster and MarkyX, you two also do great work!

And delphi, thanks for getting the ball rolling!

I will only be happy when an ex-fan of Loose Change sends me an image (or better yet, a movie) of a broken Loose Change DVD.
 
I made the mistake of starting a topic about solipsism in the Loose Change forum.

What was I thinking? May as well discuss electronics with primitive Bushman tribes.
 
I made the mistake of starting a topic about solipsism in the Loose Change forum.

What was I thinking? May as well discuss electronics with primitive Bushman tribes.


LOL!

After my short but memorable foray into lolapa-looserland I equated the experience to attempting to teach my cat calculus.

Funny thing is...I think the cat would at least be receptive....

-z
 
Awesome work guys. I played LC2E to my girlfriend, with no prior comments on my part, then proceeded to apply the Viewer's Guide and my own discoveries to her questions and queries. Safe to say so far I've addressed only the aircraft phone calls, the pentagon crash, and the "explosions" heard in the towers. She is already thoroughly convinced the LCers have no idea what they're talking about.

I thought I had a pretty good grip on the whole thing, but after looking at some of the work you folks have done my awareness of the crazy claims, how they came about, and the reality, is infinately better. Thanks a billion!

I'm waiting for a CTer to explain why a company that supposedly had half the world's gold reserve under WTC5 hasn't complained that all by 230 million is missing... or maybe they were in on the ridiculous plot to... um... steal their own gold?

-Andrew
 
For 1992, I believe that, but I thought that in the two or three years leading up to 2001, they did require positive ID such as a drivers license.

The 911 Commission report states that one of the highjackers in fact did not have photo ID. The procedure in that case was to keep the checked baggage off the plane until it was confirmed that the passenger was aboard. I guess the idea is that they won't get on board if they are checking a bomb.
 
And here I figured what with this new 9/11 CT drawing the loons, the old boy was finally going to get to rest in peace.
No. In fact, in the extras of LC2E at Ground Zero, there's a random loon on camera saying "The same people who killed JFK did this." Jim Fetzer, who heads "911 Scholars for Truth" with Steven E. Jones, is primarily a JFK conspiracy theorist. He's often on radio shows about it.
 
I think the terrorists would keep their passports with them because, well, where else would they leave them? In a hotel room, for the authorities to find afterwards, making the investigation easier? Or on their person, where more than likely they will be burnt/lost/destroyed? Makes sense to me.


Also, in point of fact, "freefall" is not a speed. When you are in freefall, you are under acceleration. Sorry to be so picky.


On second thought....when you reach terminal velocity, are you still in freefall? I'll have to think about that one....

I think we are reading too much into things about the passport.

The hijackers are Foreign Nationals and are REQUIRED to carry their passports with them while in the USA. Same as you and me, (if you are yankee american) by strict reading of the rules, you are required to carry you passport while in Jolly old England, Italy, or China.

Not that anyone has asked to see your papers on the streets of Manchester, or Milan, or Xian, but in theory, you are supposed to be carrying your passport.

Same thing here in the USA - the hijackers (by the rules) are supposed to be carrying their passports at all time. They wouldn't want their whole plot to be thwarted, because one of these swine forgot a simple thing like a passport.

Now, on the freefall thing - we are talking about freefall and Terminal velocity in real world, not lab conditions. The quote is from Sport Parachuting by Russ Gunby, pg 63:

"Sooner or later the speed and friction will balance each other and when the balance of these two forces is reached, the falling object will then have reached a steady falling speed which is called terminal velocity. In atmosphere this takes about 12 seconds and is approximately 176 feet mer second or 120 miles per house. Once terminal velocity is reached, an object will not fall any faster."


Lets not read things that aren't there, or get bogged down by the CTer's in ability to understand science, or use the terms properly.
 
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No. In fact, in the extras of LC2E at Ground Zero, there's a random loon on camera saying "The same people who killed JFK did this." Jim Fetzer, who heads "911 Scholars for Truth" with Steven E. Jones, is primarily a JFK conspiracy theorist. He's often on radio shows about it.
Which, as I implied, explains a lot.
 
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