Loose Change - Part III

[Pardalis]

In regards of post 17:

Thats simple:
[CT thinking cap on]
The Flash, as in the cartoon character, is in reality speaking in codes, thus enabling George W. Bush to communicate with various Illuminati chapters at the same time all over the world. Same goes for Ray Romano's lines in "Everybody Loves Raymond". This particulary coorporation came about as Ray Romano are a member of the same species of lizards as both Jim Lovell and Bush not to mention the drummer, Lars Ulrich, from Metallica. The same code also presents itself if you play Metallicas tracks backwards and count the drumbeats. And don't tell me you haven't heard the satanic messages on those tracks! Metallica is, after all, the right hand of the Antichrist also known as George W. Bush.
These codes are centered arround a sinister plot to change the weatherpatterns of the world by using the local atmospheric changes of greyhoundraces at specific time and places to influence the Corliolus Effect. Italian Greyhounds are particulary good at this due to their aerodynamic shape and speed. Don't tell me you haven't noticed how the weather changes when they have one of those races! It's so obvious!

[/CT thinking cap off]

That was....way to easy....

Woah! I didn't even think someone would actually do it! Great job!

 

[R.Mackey]

And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies.

Quaid! Start the reactor! Free Mars!

Typical rubbish. "It was obvious..." "he'd been told..." (beautiful leading use of passive voice there) "I think..." "I only recently realized this..."

However, I really feel sorry for those people. Mental illness is no laughing matter.

 

[JamesB]

Nice to start fresh after Sentinel ruined the second thread with his unintelligible comments.

I debunked him, then he disappeared.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I debunked him, then he disappeared.

How did you do that? That'd by like trying to herd cats.

 

[Pardalis]

I debunked him, then he disappeared.

What was there to debunk? Not to minimize your credit, but I still don't know what the hell he was talking about.

 

[JamesB]

LOL, he did make a few intelligible points. They were all wrong, but at least comprehensible. You are correct though, the hardest part is not debunking, it is getting them to say something comprehensible in the first place.

 

[azazal]

How did you do that? That'd by like trying to herd cats.

You know, I used to work for EDS, and let met tell you, herding cats is a real pain

 

[Pardalis]

LOL, he did make a few intelligible points. They were all wrong, but at least comprehensible. You are correct though, the hardest part is not debunking, it is getting them to say something comprehensible in the first place.

Your capacity to keep up with his comments and sort through them in a conversation is all to your credit!

 

[Gravy]

Someone over there asked me if I had "coached" Gravy, based on an article I had written for Skeptic Report a few years ago. Very flattering, but...I told him it wasn't necessary, since the silliness was there for anyone to find.

I'm sure you'd be a great coach, aggle. I have been righting wrongs for quite some time on my own, though.

 

[Brainster]

Dylan Shuts Down "No Planes" Thread

Perhaps it was hitting a little too close to home? Killtown and Holmgren were arguing that many of the eyewitness accounts of those who saw the second plane hit the WTC weren't really eyewitnesses, so Merc the Jerk assembled a bunch of eyewitness accounts.

Of course, that's getting a little too close to the argument we raise against the Pentagon nonsense; that there are plenty of eyewitnesses who saw an airliner hit the Pentagon, so Dylan closed the thread.

 

[Gravy]

Dylan Shuts Down "No Planes" Thread

Well, bless his tiny brain, that is truly hilarious. The idea that no planes hit the WTC is absurd, but the idea that no plane hit the Pentagon is the "truth." Yep. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Oh gawd...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121

JFK II is an incredible documentary film that totally destroys any notion of Lee Harvey Oswald being responsible for the murder of ... all » President John F. Kennedy. Packed with original and new footage, JFK II provides strong clues as to who was really behind the assassination.

This examination of the ecidence is meticulous ans well-documented. JFK II ia a criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush and establishws beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy.

EDIT: Spelling errors are unchanged from the included synopsis on google video.

 

[sat556]

I have some questions, hope you all don't mind. I know the Loosers keep on with them.

Might I ask what the 'free-fall' thing is all about? Is this what happens during a controlled demolition?

Also, why is christophera banging on about this concrete core? What has that got to do with anything?

Finally, in this:

http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg

What is that poking through the top of the cloud of dust?

 

[Gravy]

I have some questions, hope you all don't mind. I know the Loosers keep on with them.

Might I ask what the 'free-fall' thing is all about? Is this what happens during a controlled demolition?

Also, why is christophera banging on about this concrete core? What has that got to do with anything?

Finally, in this:

http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg

What is that poking through the top of the cloud of dust?

The CTs contend that the 3 WTC buildings fell "too fast," that is, at or near the speed they would have fallen if nothing resisted their fall. Some even claim that the towers fell as fast as they would in a vacuum, i.e. true free fall. The NIST report gives CTs a little ammunition because it refers to the towers as falling at "near" free fall speed. But then NIST goes on to say that the DIFFERENCE in the actual collapse speed and free fall is accounted for by the resistance providecd by the building's structure (and by air). The CTs leave that part out. If you're talking about 2 or 3 seconds' difference, that's 20 or 30% slower than free fall, which the folks with slide rules say is within the expected range. Now, do buildings that undergo "CD" fall at "free fall" speed? No. Controlled demolitions are designed to weaken certain supporting members so that gravity can do its work, not to simulaneously remove every supporting member in the structure.

The concrete core thing is just a fantasy dreamed up by Christophera and a few others. It might have made a difference in how long the towers survived if they had concrete cores, but they didn't.

That photo shows material being ejected from the 41/42 floor mechanical levels as the building collapses. It's likely that material had an easier exit on the mechanical floors, since they had vents to the exterior.

ETA: Oh, you asked what's poking through the TOP of the dust cloud. Well, there's a piece of exterior wall sticking out near the top center of the cloud. Is that what you mean?

 

[sat556]

Some even claim that the towers fell as fast as they would in a vacuum, i.e. true free fall.

Now that's what I was thinking of. I couldn't figure for the life of me how even a CT could be claiming that. But apparently...

ETA: Oh, you asked what's poking through the TOP of the dust cloud. Well, there's a piece of exterior wall sticking out near the top center of the cloud. Is that what you mean?

Ah yes, it is what I meant, and I can see it now. I was thinking it might be that spire thing.

Ta

 

[Gravy]

Now that's what I was thinking of. I couldn't figure for the life of me how even a CT could be claiming that. But apparently...

Not long ago quite a few of them were using the phrase "faster than free fall," but that seems to have died down.

Ah yes, it is what I meant, and I can see it now. I was thinking it might be that spire thing.

Same idea. The "spire" was a tall piece of the north tower wall that survived for a few seconds. I'm always impressed by how much of the lower wall structure remained standing. That's a great example of how the tower walls differed from a traditional curtain-wall skyscraper.

 

[DanKirby]

And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies.

Obviously the miners had stumbled onto a secret underground government complex, where they're busy developing all of their holographic planes, faster-than-freefall gravity generators, and mind-controlling chemtrail dispensers.

 

[delphi_ote]

Two splits?! What have I done!?

 

[delphi_ote]

Ed-damn it! These guys seem to think that mistakes are impossible.

Unless they're made by the Bush administration.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Two splits?! What have I done!?

Well, you certainly created one of the longer thread(s) in forum history.

also,

- created a quasi-battleground between the JREF and Loose Change forums. In the process you created the JREF Ninja Wave.

- helped educate quite a few people as to the arguments on both sides of the discussion.

- allowed me to add "government shill" to my list of titles.

- given everyone a few pauses for serious thought (and more than a few chuckles)

All in all, it's a great thread. I just wish the DJLegacy/Gravy thread had taken off. That would have been a good read as well.