Loose Change - Part II

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I do not believe we ever gave Saddam weapons. We gave him loads of other resources during the war, but his weaponry was well rooted in the Soviet system. Our weapons would have gotten in the way.
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That urban legend has been going on for years. We sold Saddam some industrial chemicals, which could have been used in the production of chemical weapons, big deal, most of the chemicals known to man could harm someone in some form or another. And we sold him some civilian helicopters which could have been converted to military use. Somehow this has mutated to "Reagan gave Saddam all his weapons"

Iraqi weaponry was almost exclusively Soviet, Chinese and French. This is not opinion, or speculation, it is fact. Just look at all the stuff we blew up, not an American tank or APC among them.
 
From a link MarkyX put a while ago:

Kind of like those 19 arabs who managed to hijack 4 flights with boxcutters and outsmart the entire U.S defense system,
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This seems to crop up a lot. I wonder if this conspiracy is the kids way of dealing with the fact that America isn't quite as secure and wonderful as they thought it was, and is just as easily attacked by a small group of people with a serious agenda as anywhere else is.
Statements like the one above seem to indicate that they think they are too superior to have something like this happen.
 
I remember a case where a danish journalist managed to smuggle a knife onboard an inter-european flight AFTER 9/11.
Security systems can be circumvented if you want to bad enough.
I'll have a look-see to fish out a link on that story.

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My bad: He only took it to the gate, but he could have gotten it onboard the plane.
Here we go:
In Danish, court documents:
http://www.cfje.dk/cfje/Lovbasen.nsf/ID/LB04427095

Artikel on Journalisten.dk:
http://www.journalisten.dk/sw5349.asp

A similar case, US-UK flight, no journalist but with a short mention of the danish case:
http://www.channel4.com/news/2004/01/week_2/14_hrow.html
 
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JamesB said:
That urban legend has been going on for years. We sold Saddam some industrial chemicals, which could have been used in the production of chemical weapons, big deal, most of the chemicals known to man could harm someone in some form or another. And we sold him some civilian helicopters which could have been converted to military use. Somehow this has mutated to "Reagan gave Saddam all his weapons"

Iraqi weaponry was almost exclusively Soviet, Chinese and French. This is not opinion, or speculation, it is fact. Just look at all the stuff we blew up, not an American tank or APC among them.
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Not to mention that the common refrain of "We were Saddam's buddy in the 80's." is pretty much garbage too. We gave Iraq support, mostly intelligence, but we also gave Iran support very quietly. We played both ends against the middle because we didn't want either side to win their war. A choice between a megalomaniac and a radical theocracy was not much of a choice.

And that picture that people love to post showing Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand as some sort of proof of collusion. Most people don't recognize him, but standing at the right hand of Saddam is Jacques Chirac. I always get a good chuckle when people cluelessly post that picture.
 
You know, I always thought the "we supported Iraq before" argument was bogus, even if true.

If it was true, doesn't that make it that much more our responsibility to correct the problem?

If I sold someone a gun, then found out they used it to shoot their wife, you can d@mn well believe I'd feel partly responsible. Of course, in this situation, I'd be more likely to go to the police and reveal what I knew than try to track the person down on my own...but still.

Likewise, if I donate to a charity, then later find out that the charity is a fraud, you can also believe that I'll do what I can to make sure they get exposed for what they are.

So, even assuming that we did support Iraq in earlier years, even assuming we did provide them with weapons, that just makes it that much more our responsibility to take care of the situation.

Just my 3 cents (inflation).
 
Huntsman said:
You know, I always thought the "we supported Iraq before" argument was bogus, even if true.
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Ever been to a wedding, and a few years later heard the couple was getting divorced? And then you hear why, and you are shocked - shocked!
 
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RE: Loosechange and Wingtv.net

I'd like to apologize in advance as I'm not as creative as a writer as most of you.

There are some of us who want a clear investigation on 9-11 and there are those out there working the cointel operation trying to discredit us with there performance.


I work alone to investigate the matter of the attacks, I am not connected with any group or organization with profit. I lost alot of my friends that day and felt the need to search out the facts to that days event. I am pro governemnt but feel theres more to 9-11 than what we as the people are being told and maybe even lead to believe such as the connection with saddam hussien.



Sorry short on time.


Sentinel
 
Sentinel said:
I am pro governemnt but feel theres more to 9-11 than what we as the people are being told and maybe even lead to believe such as the connection with saddam hussien.



Sorry short on time.


Sentinel
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Welcome Sentinel - who ever made that connection?

If you need an analogy, Japan attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. The US went after Germany first.

Germany had no planes at Pearl Harbor.

If we wanted to go after Hussain, then the frame that the CT'ers talk about would have been around Hussain, not 19 Arabs, not one of them Iraqi.
 
60hzxtl said:
Welcome Sentinel - who ever made that connection?

If you need an analogy, Japan attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. The US went after Germany first.

Germany had no planes at Pearl Harbor.
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hmm no I'd say they went for the Japanese first.
First US ship fired on German sub september 1941
Franklin D. Roosevelt orders the United States Navy to shoot on sight if any ship or convoy is threatened. September 1941
2 US navy ships sunk by Germans subs in October 1941

Pearl Harbor december 1941

US forces repels Japanese landing attempt on wake island on december 11 1941
Japanese forces successfully land on Wake island, US garrison surrenders after hard fighting. December 23 1941
The Doolittle Raid was in april 1942 - Japan
Battle of the coral sea was in may 1942 - Japan
US forces started to supply British Forces in the Desert War in May 1942 - Germany /Italy
Battle of Midway june 1942 - Japan
US Army Air Force began their work in europe in July 1942 - Germany
Operation Torch was in November 1942. - Germany/Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942
 
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