Loose Change - Part II

[bob_kark]

where snoopy and Woodstock the chief hijackers?

Not only do I believe it, I have proof!

Snoopy

 

[Shrinker]

Heads up, there is a phony explosion audio/video being passed around.
Such as the one linked to at Plaguepuppys site from the trinity video.

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/#spire
http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/audio01.html#trinity

Now after you listen to the fake, here is the original

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5405555553528290546&q=WTC&pl=true

Other videos (some taken closer) of cource also do not have the loud explosions heard in the mediumrecords fake.
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem4/911.w....west.below.wmv

Whoops, that's set an unfortunate precedent. Now we get to question the authenticity every bit of evidence they present. Bad move, truth seekers. (Or nice move infiltrators)

I don't know whether it's best to expose this now while Jeff King (he's plaguepuppy right?) has it on his website, or expose it when they've all got it on their websites.

 

[brodski]

I'm starting to think our default reply to this maneuver should be, "Gee, I wonder if you still beat your significant other?"

don't be ridiculous, non of the Loosers have wives or girlfriends, that's mainly because every time they go out to "pull" a girl, they end up destroying her in a controlled demolition...

 

[Orb]

don't be ridiculous, non of the Loosers have wives or girlfriends, that's mainly because every time they go out to "pull" a girl, they end up destroying her in a controlled demolition...

Or their dad won't let them borrow the car.

 

[Brainster]

Am I the only one who is surprised that the LC makes no mention of Able Danger? I mean, they seem to be shying away from any "evidence" that has any basis in fact whatsoever. I'm starting to buy the idea that this is just performance art.

Note: I am not claiming that Able Danger is being supressed because it shows a larger conspiracy.

Able Danger really only works well for the LIHOP people. Dylan doesn't believe in the hijackers, ergo Able Danger is of limited utility.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

"I had two weeks of depression after seeing this film, and I've never been depressed in my life. I can say with 100 percent confidence that this was an inside job by our government."

- Scottsdale Community College Prof. Carrie Jones

Here's a hypothetical for the armchair lawyers here (or even the real ones if there are any).

If a member of a persons family falls into severe depression from watching Loose Change as miss Jones claims to have done and the victim kills him or herself, given the outright lies in LC (free fall collapse, "neatly into it's own footprint", etc...) can Avery & co. be held liable in a wrongful death suit?

Better yet, could he be held criminally liable?

 

[Pardalis]

- Scottsdale Community College Prof. Carrie Jones

Here's a hypothetical for the armchair lawyers here (or even the real ones if there are any).

If a member of a persons family falls into severe depression from watching Loose Change as miss Jones claims to have done and the victim kills him or herself, given the outright lies in LC (free fall collapse, "neatly into it's own footprint", etc...) can Avery & co. be held liable in a wrongful death suit?

Better yet, could he be held criminally liable?

With all the errors and lies in LC, if she still believes it 100 % she can't teach, she should get fired. It won't help her depression though if she's out of a job, but everybody is responsible and accountable for their own stupidity.

 

[ktesibios]

Heads up, there is a phony explosion audio/video being passed around.
Such as the one linked to at Plaguepuppys site from the trinity video.

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video archive/#spire
http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/audio01.html#trinity

Now after you listen to the fake, here is the original

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5405555553528290546&q=WTC&pl=true

Other videos (some taken closer) of cource also do not have the loud explosions heard in the mediumrecords fake.
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem4/911.w....west.below.wmv

The bogusness of the Trinity Church audio clip is obvious. Apart from the explosion noises, the crowd sounds don't come close to matching those on the original, although the videos are all clearly from the same original source material.

Oddly, neither the video clip on mediumrecords' site nor its apparent source at terrorize.dk seem to have any audio at all- at least not that Quicktime or DIVX Player on this Mac can recover. I'll have to see how they play on my PC at home.

I'm curious to find out if the mediumrecords guy is innocently doing spectral analyses on something that someone else hoked up or if he's cooked up the whole megillah himself.

 

[steve s]

This is in regard to the sounds of explosions. One thing I've never really heard discussed is the sound that a steel beam makes when it breaks. I took some Materials Science classes when I was working on my engineering degree. One of the things we would do is put a steel bar in a hydraulic press, pull it apart to failure, and then study the stresses that build up. The bars were only about as thick as your thumb, but when one of those puppies would break it was about as loud as a gunshot.

Now imagine a 14" X 14" steel column breaking. It would probably be as loud as a stick of TNT. The WTC had 240 of these beams around its perimeter. Imagine the noise of all those beams breaking at once. And people wonder why it sounded like explosions going off. And that's ignoring the sound of the floors slamming into each other.

Steve S.

 

[sleahead]

If a member of a persons family falls into severe depression from watching Loose Change as miss Jones claims to have done and the victim kills him or herself, given the outright lies in LC (free fall collapse, "neatly into it's own footprint", etc...) can Avery & co. be held liable in a wrongful death suit?

Better yet, could he be held criminally liable?

I don't think such a lawsuit would succeed, but I'm no lawyer. I'm sure someone might get lawyered up and have a go. I recall some lawsuits against rock stars, by persons claiming the lyrics made them do things, failed. Dylan also placed the handy disclaimer "Do your own research" on his website.

Perhaps we should take pity on Professor Jones. Do you have an email address? If so, send the instant remedy to Loose Change induced depression - a link to Gravy's Viewers Guide.

 

[Kage]

The "we are just asking questions" exccuse tells me that teachers sould stop telling students that there are no stupid questions. LC is evidense that there are REALLY stupid questions.

 

[Ramooone]

This is in regard to the sounds of explosions. One thing I've never really heard discussed is the sound that a steel beam makes when it breaks. I took some Materials Science classes when I was working on my engineering degree. One of the things we would do is put a steel bar in a hydraulic press, pull it apart to failure, and then study the stresses that build up. The bars were only about as thick as your thumb, but when one of those puppies would break it was about as loud as a gunshot.

Now imagine a 14" X 14" steel column breaking. It would probably be as loud as a stick of TNT. The WTC had 240 of these beams around its perimeter. Imagine the noise of all those beams breaking at once. And people wonder why it sounded like explosions going off. And that's ignoring the sound of the floors slamming into each other.

Steve S.

heres video of a giant crane snapping and collapsing, sounds an awful lot like an explosion een though it isn't
http://911myths.com/collapse2.rm

 

[Mr. Skinny]

This is in regard to the sounds of explosions. One thing I've never really heard discussed is the sound that a steel beam makes when it breaks. I took some Materials Science classes when I was working on my engineering degree. One of the things we would do is put a steel bar in a hydraulic press, pull it apart to failure, and then study the stresses that build up. The bars were only about as thick as your thumb, but when one of those puppies would break it was about as loud as a gunshot.

Now imagine a 14" X 14" steel column breaking. It would probably be as loud as a stick of TNT. The WTC had 240 of these beams around its perimeter. Imagine the noise of all those beams breaking at once. And people wonder why it sounded like explosions going off. And that's ignoring the sound of the floors slamming into each other.

Steve S.

(bolding mine)

Steve, I think you are thinking of an MTS machine (for Materials Testing Solutions Corp., I think). They are technically not a press, but rather a dynamic testing machine that, as you said, pulls the item apart, so it's not the same as a hydraulic press.

I know what you mean about the noise. I was in one of our labs about two weeks ago when the tested a composite aircraft patch to failure. It sounded like a .22 caliber gun going off. I can't imagine how loud a steel I-beam would sound if it failed in tension. Then again, I imagine most of the WTC steel would fail in torsion or shear (but I'm no structural engineer).

 

[Mongrel]

Oddly, neither the video clip on mediumrecords' site nor its apparent source at terrorize.dk seem to have any audio at all- at least not that Quicktime or DIVX Player on this Mac can recover. I'll have to see how they play on my PC at home.

May well be the Xvid Codec, those bastiges have hooked onto the Looser train. Yet another reason to not use that POS

 

[Gravy]

Perhaps we should take pity on Professor Jones. Do you have an email address? If so, send the instant remedy to Loose Change induced depression - a link to Gravy's Viewers Guide.

I did that when this story first came out. No word if she's with the quick or the dead, though!

 

[Gravy]

Good catch on the fake audio, Kent1 et al. Has anyone emailed mediumrecords about it?

 

[Ducky]

The bogusness of the Trinity Church audio clip is obvious. Apart from the explosion noises, the crowd sounds don't come close to matching those on the original, although the videos are all clearly from the same original source material.

Oddly, neither the video clip on mediumrecords' site nor its apparent source at terrorize.dk seem to have any audio at all- at least not that Quicktime or DIVX Player on this Mac can recover. I'll have to see how they play on my PC at home.

I'm curious to find out if the mediumrecords guy is innocently doing spectral analyses on something that someone else hoked up or if he's cooked up the whole megillah himself.

This is seriously the WORST job of foley work I have ever heard.

This was cooked up by an amateur. As a professional I can't imagine anyone doing such a crap job.

PS. pull the audio into a wav editing tool. Tell me if you see anything amiss...

 

[Ramooone]

yeah, that audio is totally fake. that explosion plugin is part of the sountrack pro program.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

That was so perfect. An excellent object lesson of exactly why the guy was wrong.

Thanks very much!

 

[NobbyNobbs]

I think I'm getting better at this rebuttal thing. Over at LC, Riptide hung himself twice with his own words, and I got the opportunity to set him straight both times!

I'm starting to feel a little more confident about this "logical argument" thing.....

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5207&st=0&#entry5015235