Loose Change - Part II

[Hutch]

.....What is it w/ these people and movies? Does everything have to be in movie form to be admissable as evidence?

I have noticed that too, Wildcat; it seems that virtually every thread is some type of video, usually "proving" a particular POV.

My hypothesis is that many of who we are talking to over there are fairly young (20-somethings) who have grown up and with video and computer/internet all of their lives. To them, what is on tape and played over the net IS REALITY--and they accept it as same. I won't say all of us here are old fogeys, but most of us have been known to read a book or to or search for solid and verifiable sources, with the math and science to back it up.

And that, IMHO, is very scary for the future. Very scary indeed.

 

[chipmunk stew]

I have noticed that too, Wildcat; it seems that virtually every thread is some type of video, usually "proving" a particular POV.

My hypothesis is that many of who we are talking to over there are fairly young (20-somethings) who have grown up and with video and computer/internet all of their lives. To them, what is on tape and played over the net IS REALITY--and they accept it as same. I won't say all of us here are old fogeys, but most of us have been known to read a book or to or search for solid and verifiable sources, with the math and science to back it up.

And that, IMHO, is very scary for the future. Very scary indeed.

Don't worry. I was young and stupid once, too--and not terribly long ago.

 

[kookbreaker]

I challenge any rational, reasonable, critical thinker here.

Here is the challenge should you accept:

a) Visit UniversalSeed.org
b) Watch all documentaries and get informed
c) Form an opinion
d) Respond and THEN debunk the claims

Practice tollerance. Character assasination attempts help no one. I am looking for informed, honest, researched discussion. I have looked at all the information put forth advocating the official story. If you have smoking guns I will be willing to listen to you AFTER you watch the documentaries/films.

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs. If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention. Wilfull ignorance and childish naivity is like blood to the coyotes, we can smell/taste the ignorance.

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[Gravy]

As are we: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1660513#post1660513

I can do you an inflatable dinghy - it's yours for the deeds to your house...

Aah, but our thread started with a smiley face...a BIG GREEN smiley face.

Hmm. That could just mean the poster doesn't live on the east coast.

Now I'm bummed that I sold my canoe last year.

 

[Pardalis]

Now I'm bummed that I sold my canoe last year.

What about a kayak?

 

[Pardalis]

I have noticed that too, Wildcat; it seems that virtually every thread is some type of video, usually "proving" a particular POV.

My hypothesis is that many of who we are talking to over there are fairly young (20-somethings) who have grown up and with video and computer/internet all of their lives. To them, what is on tape and played over the net IS REALITY--and they accept it as same. I won't say all of us here are old fogeys, but most of us have been known to read a book or to or search for solid and verifiable sources, with the math and science to back it up.

And that, IMHO, is very scary for the future. Very scary indeed.

Chucksheen's: "Here is the challenge should you accept" did sound alot like "Mission Impossible".

 

[Stellafane]

I challenge any rational, reasonable, critical thinker here...[typical CT stupidity that proves he doesn't know the meaning of rational, reasonable, or critical...or thinker for that matter]

Welcome, chucksheen. Assuming that you're the real Chuck Sheen (and not just one of those lonely little boys who wishes he were), are you still dating whores?

(I know I know, ad hom, ad hom...)

 

[chipmunk stew]

Don't worry. I was young and stupid once, too--and not terribly long ago.

I was never this stupid, though:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4831

 

[sophia8]

Welcome, chucksheen. Assuming that you're the real Chuck Sheen (and not just one of those lonely little boys who wishes he were), are you still dating whores?

(I know I know, ad hom, ad hom...)

Oh, leave him alone! He's only little - go pick on somebody your own size...

Anyway, welcome Chuck. In response to your challenge, how about you reading through every single post on this thread, then giving us your opinion?

 

[Pardalis]

I was never this stupid, though:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4831

According to these CT nuts, there seems to have been an inordinate number of flashes of light that day (on the second plane, on helicopters, before and during the collapse). Wouldn't it be possible that it was because this was early in the morning and the sun was still low when these pictures were taken (thus these flashes could be simply light reflections on metal) ? Why jump to the conclusion that these were explosions?

100% proof? Give me a break.

 

[Belz...]

I'll admit I forgot that the sigs could be turned off. If I get more requests I'll reconsider what I've done. Here's why I posted the link in my sig:

Visibility: I've made 716 posts. If anyone, from here or via any search engine, goes to any post of mine, they'll see the links in my sig.

Flexibility: I've already revised the document twice, and plan to do so weekly.

Great ressource, Gravy. Once again, you are our saviour.

Didn't expect to find some of my own posts in there. Thanks!

 

[Belz...]

Did you know that the Loosers are expecting a tsunami to hit the east coast of the U.S. today?

No, really. They are.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4933&view=getnewpost

<Giggling uncontrolably>

 

[Kiwiwriter]

More from the wacky world

If that wasn't enough to get your attention, the site also features a prominent, highlighted link to Jesse MacBeth.

FWIW, I started your challenge. Viewed Pentagon Strike, Thermite Experiments, South Tower Collapse, and of course, have already seen Loose Change.

Nothing new in any of these.

Not an auspicious debut, chuck.

What amuses and frightens me at the same time about these conspiracy theories is that they all seem to wind down to the same basic idea, in the end: rehashing the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion." In the end, they all blame the same target: Satan's tools, the evil Jews.

If there hadn't been so much genocidal slaughter over the centuries because of this idiotic theory -- more survivable than cockroaches after a nuclear war -- it would be funny.

And if there really was a "Jewish conspiracy," I'd be earning a LOT more money.

 

[Abbyas]

So that's three JREF bans in one day at LC? Does anyone have any idea why? Did group 2 forget to stay after class?

Four. I was also suspended. No idea why.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Thanks for the welcome and more on 9/11 mania

Excellent post, Kiwiwriter. And welcome to the forum!

And your warm words.

I also applaud your use of Mr. Peabody as your avatar. He was always one of my favorite cartoon characters.

Back in my misspent days as a Navy radio broadcaster, I did Bullwinkle the Moose on radio spots, but we had a guy who did him better, so we did a spot in which Bullwinkle (him) pulls Marvin the Martian (me) out of that hat.

The conspiracy theories about 9/11 irritate me on so many levels. Not only because of my intense dislike of such nonsense, but because I'm on Newark's Emergency Operations and Homeland Security Committees. On 9/11, I wrote the press releases and statements from the city to our residents from our command center. All the federal, state, county, and city agencies were there, activated.

I can assure you...they were taken by complete surprise, too.

Another one that irritates me is the story that 4,000 Jews were "warned to leave" New York and the World Trade Center. Those obviously did not include my brother, my wife, my best friend's wife, the executive director of the Port Authority (Neil Levin); and the executive secretary of the PA, who was a high school classmate, Daniel Bergstein. The latter two died in the North Tower.

It never ceases to amaze me that people can understand extremely complicated conspiracy theories, heavily dependent on "dangerous speculation," but can't accept or understand simple answers. I often wonder if the conspiracy theory precedes the event or the other way around.

 

[kookbreaker]

Four. I was also suspended. No idea why.

Thoughtcrime.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Thoughtcrime.

Well that's double-plus ungood!

 

[Kiwiwriter]

1984 meets 9/11

Well that's double-plus ungood!

Obviously, you don't "bellyfeel Ingsoc."

I'm amused that the authors of a conspiracy theory DVD that questions the government would ban commentary on their own words. But I've noticed a similar thing in Holocaust denial...they will tolerate no criticism of Adolf Hitler, no matter how mild.

"Loose Change is double-plus goodful duckspeak!"

 

[Gravy]

What about a kayak?

Sorry, one blade is all a man needs if he knows how to use it.

 

[kookbreaker]

Obviously, you don't "bellyfeel Ingsoc."

I'm amused that the authors of a conspiracy theory DVD that questions the government would ban commentary on their own words. But I've noticed a similar thing in Holocaust denial...they will tolerate no criticism of Adolf Hitler, no matter how mild.

"Loose Change is double-plus goodful duckspeak!"

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