Loose Change - Part II

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Any serious debaters should join the LooseChange911.com forums. Videos speak many words and there are WAY too many posts here for me to read and carry on with my business.

2 quick must see videos:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4837634583766795751
BetterBadNews.com
 
Below is a picture of one of the conspirators cutting the steel into those convenient sections. He's obviously a slacker, as he has waited until after the buildings collapsed to do his job.

This one made me chuckle. You can't trust those union guys.
 
Any serious debaters should join the LooseChange911.com forums. Videos speak many words and there are WAY too many posts here for me to read and carry on with my business.
Perhaps you can put a good word in for those of us who have been suspended:
Arkan_Wolfshade: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1660156#post1660156
dubfan: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1660169#post1660169
"stipmunk chew": http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1660383#post1660383
Abbyas: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1660943#post1660943
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Dear Conspiracy Theorist:

You are 100% wrong.

Love,

RK
Rk, this seems to be a damn poor way to welcome a new poster. Sure, he may have proven himself a nutter elsewhere, but I have not been "elsewhere" so have no preconceived notion; I suspect the same is true for most others on this forum. If he is "100% wrong" welcome him with open arms and let the facts fall where they may. Let the EVIDENCE prove him "100% wrong". Your "welcome" is anything but. Sure we're skeptics but let the sketicism work, not your harsh prejudgement.
SezMe, perhaps you have not followed this thread and its peripherals as I have, and in addition conversed with numerous CTers, each of whom displays ignorance coupled with arrogance as if it were a bright shiny badge. You may also have also missed the set-up to my little note above, which might've helped you understand.

Still, I accept your criticism. Thanks.
 
Any serious debaters should join the LooseChange911.com forums. Videos speak many words and there are WAY too many posts here for me to read and carry on with my business.

This one made me chuckle too. How can you have a serious debate when disagreeing with forum members gets you banned?
 
Oh, leave him alone! He's only little - go pick on somebody your own size...

Anyway, welcome Chuck. In response to your challenge, how about you reading through every single post on this thread, then giving us your opinion?

No way that's going to happen... after all, Xraye is obviously still working on it...

edit- oops I see he already owned up to it ten posts ago!
 
Any serious debaters should join the LooseChange911.com forums. Videos speak many words and there are WAY too many posts here for me to read and carry on with my business.
If you want serious debaters over there, talk to jackchit:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1660943#post1660943

jackchit at LC forum said:
Time to clean up.... and get rid of the smell.
I hold my hands up I'm the one who suspended the accounts as i could feel the frustration and anger towards the cretious thinkers from my friends on the board.
But hey you guys still have the jref forum to post your views and i'm sure if anyone is interested enough and has been swayed by the posts made here by the jref'ers they will be welcomed over there with open arms..

good luck guys, Jack
 
Any serious debaters should join the LooseChange911.com forums. Videos speak many words and there are WAY too many posts here for me to read and carry on with my business.

Or feel free to start a new topic. Maybe one with a specific point that can be discussed.
 
Any serious debaters should join the LooseChange911.com forums. Videos speak many words and there are WAY too many posts here for me to read and carry on with my business.

2 quick must see videos:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4837634583766795751
BetterBadNews.com
No, videos do not "speak many words." The eyes are often unreliable. (For examples of this, try clicking here.)

Sir, this is a forum dedicated to critical thinking. While this particular thread may be of epic length, it contains countless answers to your questions. Should you actually be interested in considered analysis of this topic, it would seem a relatively small task to read it though, a bit at a time. You will likely be enlightened.

Welcome to the forum.
 
Or feel free to start a new topic. Maybe one with a specific point that can be discussed.

Indeed, the more narrow the topic of discussion the better. I would, hestitatingly, suggest that perhaps it should be in the Politics forum.
 
How can I figure out why I was suspended? Or should I just not care.

Check chipmunk's post right before yours.

Apparantly, you were all suspended because "it was upsetting to the Loosers" to have to actually present valid evidence and use logic.

When their points were proven wrong, and you didn't respond to their arguments of "Is too!", they banned you, so they could continue with "open" debate.

OW!!!

Sorry, I think I just sprained by brain trying to do the mental gymnastics that Loosers do.
 
A few things to consider that might help out, as well. I admit this is overly simplified, others can flesh it out / correct mistakes as needed.

Remember those "Newton's Cradel" desktop toys? the 5 metal balls suspended In a line, and when you pull one away, and let it go, it hit's the line and the ball on the opposite end gets sent away? (and note that it takes practicly NO time for that transfer of energy to take place) That's your conservation of momentum at work. If you pull two of the five balls back, and release them, two go flying off from the other side.

Now, the tricky part - Pull back 3 balls. Since you have to conserve the momentum, when they collide with the other two, those two balls plus 1 of the three that were pulled back continue on. The mass has to be equal for the momentum to be conserved.

What does this have to do with WTC? Well, as the floors above the crash site drop, they have momentum. They impart that momentum onto the floors they crash into, so what you have isn't so much a collapse but a pile-driver breaking the floors below. You have "X" number of floors hitting one floor, some of the energy is lost breaking stuff, and the ball at the end of the line (in this case, the floor at the top of the Stack) loses it's momentum, but the rest of the mass keeps moving, it doesn't "Stop at each floor" like we've seen on some posts.

You don't see the top of the stack flying off at each floor because it's still effected by gravity, and still somewhat connected to the rest of the stack. So continues to be dragged down with the rest of the pile.

Now, your thinking, "wait a minute..It doesn't hit one floor, it hits the entire remaining mass of the tower". Well...yes and no.

Ever see a martial arts demonstration where they break many boards at once? Notice that they don't just stack the boards on top of each other, they have small "Spacers", maybe half an inch thick, between the boards? That's so you don't have to break the strength of all 10 boards (or however many), you just need the force to break 1 board 10 times. Some momentum is lost at each board, but the martial artist is still using his muscles to Compensate.

The WTC Towers are like that - each floor is a board, and are connected to the outside walls, the central colum, and various interior walls and such that act as the spacers do, making it easier for the X-number-of-stories mass to break through each floor. Now instead of trying to break the entire 70-some odd floors remaining, it only needs to do it one floor at a time. While a mathmatical amount of momentum is lost in each colision, Gravity was still accelerating the mass. Also, with the exception of what is ejected from the collision, each floor colided with adds its mass to the force comming down. even if it's pulverized, it still has mass, wich adds to the force applied on the floor below it.


Hope that makes sense, any corrections that need to be made, let me know. like I said, it's somewhat (allright, a lot) simplified. But the idea should be pretty clear.
 
Check chipmunk's post right before yours.

Apparantly, you were all suspended because "it was upsetting to the Loosers" to have to actually present valid evidence and use logic.

When their points were proven wrong, and you didn't respond to their arguments of "Is too!", they banned you, so they could continue with "open" debate.

OW!!!

Sorry, I think I just sprained by brain trying to do the mental gymnastics that Loosers do.
It looks like they're starting to weed out the Skeptics subforum so that eventually they'll only be left with token skeptics who are easier to beat up on.
 
Apparantly, you were all suspended because "it was upsetting to the Loosers" to have to actually present valid evidence and use logic.

I guess it's not surprising. Some (not all) of those who question the government detest it when they, themselves are questioned.

Also, considering all the times I was called "b-tch", "bloodthirsty racist", "shill", "pathetic", etc, etc by those who believe, I can completely understand their needing to be protected from me.

It's exciting, I've never been suspended from a forum before! I have decided to blame the Illuminati.
 
Pet Peeve Rant Mode On


Known country
Australia 3
Bermuda 1
Britain 1
Canada 5
China 2
Dominican Republic 1
El Salvador 1
England 11
Germany 6
Israel 1
Japan 3
Mexico 10
USA 2902

Known foreign citizenship
Australian 1
Belgian 1
Brazilian 3
British 67
Chinese 2
Colombian 17
Congonese 2
Ecuadorian 3
Filipino 15
French 1
German 5
Ghanaian 2
Guyanese 3
Haitian 2
Honduran 1
Indian 1
Indonesian1
Irish 1
Israeli 2
Italian 4
Ivory Coast 1
Jamaican 16
Japanese 23
Lebanese 3
Lithuania 1
Mexican 15
Moldavian 1
Nigerian 1
Peruvian 5
Portuguese 3
Russian 1
Swedish 1
Taiwanese 1
Ukrainian 1
Uzbek 1
Venezuelan 1

from http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm

9/11 affected the world, not just the US. And this brings up an additional gripe of mine. Why would it be, if the evidence points to this being a US gov't operation that _all_ of the above countries are not asking for Bush's head?

Your list is off by about 20 canadians: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/sep11/cdncasualties.html

But you make an excellent point. Knocking over the two biggest office buildings in the financial district of the financial capital of the worlds strongest economy will kill people from all over the world. Osama Bin Laden, for all his moral failings, is not a stupid person. He undoubtedly knew this and just didn't care. This war is for all of us, american or not.
 
I guess it's not surprising. Some (not all) of those who question the government detest it when they, themselves are questioned.

Also, considering all the times I was called "b-tch", "bloodthirsty racist", "shill", "pathetic", etc, etc by those who believe, I can completely understand their needing to be protected from me.

It's exciting, I've never been suspended from a forum before! I have decided to blame the Illuminati.
Wow! "Bloodthirsty racist"? I'm jealous. Do you have a link to that thread?
 
IIt's exciting, I've never been suspended from a forum before! I have decided to blame the Illuminati.

Hey, don't blame us! We had nothing to do with this one!!

Um, that is, if we existed we wwouldn't have had anything to...Um..

I mean, ah...if the Illuminati existed, they, ah, would have had nothing to do with this.

Yeah, that's it.

:D
 
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