Loose Change - Part II

[chucksheen]

I challenge any rational, reasonable, critical thinker here.

Here is the challenge should you accept:

a) Visit UniversalSeed.org
b) Watch all documentaries and get informed
c) Form an opinion
d) Respond and THEN debunk the claims

Practice tollerance. Character assasination attempts help no one. I am looking for informed, honest, researched discussion. I have looked at all the information put forth advocating the official story. If you have smoking guns I will be willing to listen to you AFTER you watch the documentaries/films.

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs. If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention. Wilfull ignorance and childish naivity is like blood to the coyotes, we can smell/taste the ignorance.

 

[dubfan]

Welcome to the JREF forums, chuck.

 

[Pardalis]

I challenge any rational, reasonable, critical thinker here.

Kind of a rude way to start, but welcome anyway...

Here is the challenge should you accept:

a) Visit UniversalSeed.org

The site starts with :'It is the duty of EVERY citizen of Earth to view this film!!!"

Kind of demagogic isn't it?

b) Watch all documentaries and get informed

I suggest you read this entire thread too, should take you as long and it would inform you too.

c) Form an opinion

Already have, don't need advice from you.

d) Respond and THEN debunk the claims

Practice tollerance. Character assasination attempts help no one. I am looking for informed, honest, researched discussion. I have looked at all the information put forth advocating the official story. If you have smoking guns I will be willing to listen to you AFTER you watch the documentaries/films.

I will try to watch them, just for the sake of argument. But you have to read this whole thread as well.

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs. If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention. Wilfull ignorance and childish naivity is like blood to the coyotes, we can smell/taste the ignorance.

All right already. Don't judge us before we have said anything. Keep it cool.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs. If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention. Wilfull ignorance and childish naivity is like blood to the coyotes, we can smell/taste the ignorance.

Two posts in and already he's being arrogant and calling names.

This should be short, but entertaining.

 

[Manny]

I challenge any rational, reasonable, critical thinker here.

Here is the challenge should you accept:

a) Visit UniversalSeed.org
b) Watch all documentaries and get informed
c) Form an opinion
d) Respond and THEN debunk the claims

Practice tollerance.

Welcome to the forums, C. Here's the thing: On the top list of videos, I've already seen LC, of course. Turns out, Every. Single. Material. Factual. Allegation. Is. False. That has been demonstrated by Gravy's as yet un-rebutted guide to that particular piece.

Then, moving to the second list of videos, I notice that the second video, the one which is bolded, is from a person, Jesse MacBeth, who was in fact not an Army Ranger and did not say or do the things he claims to have said or done-- indeed, there's no small question as to whether he was ever in the army at all!

So my question is this: If the very table of contents of your link is full of documented lies, what incentive does a fair-minded person have to spend literally 13 hours wading through the videos themselves?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I challenge any rational, reasonable, critical thinker here...

Dear Conspiracy Theorist:

You are 100% wrong.

Love,

RK

 

[dubfan]

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs.

70 Million Americans Can't Be Wrong!

If that wasn't enough to get your attention, the site also features a prominent, highlighted link to discredited fraud Jesse Macbeth.

FWIW, I started your challenge. Viewed Pentagon Strike, Thermite Experiments, South Tower Collapse, and of course, have already seen Loose Change.

Nothing new in any of these.

Not an auspicious debut, chuck.

 

[Pardalis]

Now I'm almost half-way throught the first movie (I admit I fast-forwarded alot of the long bits and the interview with the non-expert-in-anything-witness-from-the-other-side-of-the-river-guy). They are trying to make us believe that there were multiple explosions before the first collapse. But they only rely on the footage of a camera set on the other side of the river, so we can't really see or hear anything (except some wind blowing into the camera's mic).

There's also speculations about helicopter having something to do with the collapse because of "suspicious" flashes of light... Gosh... How can I take this seriously?

Anyway, just for the sake of argument, I'll finish watching it...

 

[bob_kark]

I challenge any rational, reasonable, critical thinker here.

Here is the challenge should you accept:

a) Visit UniversalSeed.org
b) Watch all documentaries and get informed
c) Form an opinion
d) Respond and THEN debunk the claims

Practice tollerance. Character assasination attempts help no one. I am looking for informed, honest, researched discussion. I have looked at all the information put forth advocating the official story. If you have smoking guns I will be willing to listen to you AFTER you watch the documentaries/films.

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs. If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention. Wilfull ignorance and childish naivity is like blood to the coyotes, we can smell/taste the ignorance.

Charles! Glad to see you finally made it! I had a question for you. What type of explosives were used to demolish the WTC?

 

[hellaeon]

Dear Conspiracy Theorist:

You are 100% wrong.

Love,

RK

hahahaha

Interesting to note members from here are told to practice tolerance?

Anyway, ill have a squiz to, the good thing about it is perhaps another wave of properly researched critiques can be made from these other vids?

I'd like to ask CS, what do you think could explode in a building besides explosives? nothing?

Does it disturb you that the official story stays very much the same and only expands as answers are found but every conspiracy theory is beaten, changed, mangled, manipulated to fit the 'current' facts? - each supported by similar distorted half truths and misquotes, illogic

 

[karim]

chucsheen Google Jesse Macbeth. Looks like he's not quite honest. And by the way I just visited an islamic forum and there it was, Jesse Macbeth video. Can you guess the reaction. So thank you "Jesse Machbeth" for making the anger even more deeper.

 

[Gravy]

JREF Forum 9-11 Index

Howdy, sports fans.

I've been thinking about the problem of people coming here for our take on 9/11 issues and quickly being overwhelmed. Not wanting to repeat the same arguments, we ask newcomers to read this thread before debating us. While that may be a good idea, I doubt if many people have the time or patience to make it through 4,600 posts.

I've made a clickable index of what I consider to be the most informative (and a few of the funniest) of the recent 9/11 posts here and on other JREF 9/11 threads. It's an Excel spreadsheet, and the link to it is in my signature below. Any spreadsheet program should open it.

The index only goes back to November, 2005, so I apologize to anyone who posted great 9/11 material before that. I reviewed over 7,000 posts, and that's enough for now!

The spreadsheet file has three pages (tabs at the bottom of the window), each with the same links but sorted differently:
Page 1: sorted by category
Page 2: sorted by date, oldest to newest (links contain chronological page and post numbers)
Page 3: sorted by poster.

Of course, you can sort this info any way you like, create more categories, highlight your favorite entries, etc. To save time I made just a few broad categories.

To me, by far the most interesting info is in the "Conspiracy Thought" category. It's a clinic on critical thinking and how to confront complex questions – and difficult people – logically. Thanks to everyone who contributed. I can't tell you how many times I had "Why the hell didn't I think of that?" experiences while reading your posts.

I hope this will be a useful resource for newcomers and old-timers alike.

-G

 

[CptColumbo]

I only have dial-up, so I'm afraid you have to present your arguments in your own words.

I'm sorry we don't have cool smilies here, we just have good posts.

 

[Gravy]

I challenge any rational, reasonable, critical thinker here.

Here is the challenge should you accept:

a) Visit UniversalSeed.org
b) Watch all documentaries and get informed
c) Form an opinion
d) Respond and THEN debunk the claims

Practice tollerance. Character assasination attempts help no one. I am looking for informed, honest, researched discussion. I have looked at all the information put forth advocating the official story. If you have smoking guns I will be willing to listen to you AFTER you watch the documentaries/films.

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs. If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention. Wilfull ignorance and childish naivity is like blood to the coyotes, we can smell/taste the ignorance.

Welcome, chucksheen!
First, I'd like to point out that there's more than one way to take this statement:

If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention.

I've been extremely appalled since I started looking into the truth behind 9/11 conspiracy claims, including the claims made in several videos on your list.

I probably won't get to all of the items on that list soon. I've seen LC2 and 911 Eyewitness, and I'm familiar with the work of Jones and Griffin. Aside from those, which video do you recommend first as being particularly impressive and accurate?


edited to rearrange

 

[Pardalis]

Man, I can't watch this junk, this is torture! Forget it, I can't do it.

Chuck, why don't you raise a specific question regarding 9/11 and we'll try our best to debate it, because this is indeed a discussion forum, not a boxing arena. I'm afraid your "challenge" to watch all these "movies" is just humanly impossible to accomplish. You win. It's too horribly wrong and insane.

Now lets debate.
pardalis

 

[karim]

There's also speculations about helicopter having something to do with the collapse because of "suspicious" flashes of light... Gosh... How can I take this seriously?

Yeah, what are they trying to say or what have flashes from a chopper got to do with the collapse. I guess it's up to us trooth seekers to make our own minds. It could have something to do with alien technology, right?


Chucsheen, I watched the "road to tyranny" like two years ago and at that time it was like the most hilarious film I'd ever seen. AJ is crazy but in an entertaining way if you don't take him too seriously.

 

[Pardalis]

I've made a clickable index of what I consider to be the most informative (and a few of the funniest) of the recent 9/11 posts here and on other JREF 9/11 threads.

Wow, what a brilliant and resourceful guy you are Gravy! This will come in handy!

I was starting to think the large extent of this thread would become it's own flaw, that newcomers wouldn't dare to read it because of that.

Great work Gravy!

 

[dubfan]

Scholars for 9/11 Truth buy into the Jesse MacBeth fraud.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Me too. Not sure what I did (or didn't do) to warrant the lesser punishment, though.



ETA: looks like an IP ban, too.

*sigh*

stipmunk chew,
Your member account at Loose Change Forum has been temporarily
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Your account will not be functional until Jun 24 2006, 02:27 AM
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I didn't even stray from the Skeptics forum...

 

[fsol]

All that measuring of photos to "prove" the drone theory reminds me somewhat of all that measuring of photos to "prove" that Patty exists.

"No no, it's all in the ratios..."