Loose Change - Part II

[realitybites]

Coming Up For Air

Honestly... Arguing in the LC forums is like being thrown into a large pool of stupid and being slowly dragged under the surface.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6260&st=60

CGI planes and blobs, OH MY!!!

Forgive my random, off-topic outburst, but... Their stupidity is awe-inspiring.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

NN:

May I ask what prompted jessicajohnstone's outburst at the LC forum you've mentioned?

Got me. I can't understand half of what she writes. Here's the thread.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6306&st=0&#entry5296221

 

[Regnad Kcin]

You sent her to the start of this thread? The one that's closing in on 3,000 posts? Yikes!

 

[joseph k.]

Hopefully, she does show up, and maybe reading at least some of those 3000 posts would do her good. I seem to recall her coloring the EPA as 'mass murderers' (along with 'Bushco'), and it'd be interesting how she justifies such a conclusion after seeing all the EPA reports and the studies done of people afflicted by the asbestos and etc cloud.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Okay, on June 10th, I wrote this

Now go here and scroll down to see the whole June 11th entry.
http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/​

Not only are they using King's image, they're using Tommie Smith's Black Power salute from the 1968 Olympics!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehost/8790448f7aa64e987.jpg http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehost/8790448f7aa63dffb.jpg​

Now introducing JessicaJohnstone as Rosa Parks!​

All in the name of PROTESTING AT A MEMORIAL!​

Can these creeps be any more clueless?​

It's "the most important event of [their] lives", Gravy. Don't ruin it for them.

 

[60hzxtl]

Not only are they using King's image, they're using Tommie Smith's Black Power salute from the 1968 Olympics!

Now introducing JessicaJohnstone as Rosa Parks!

All in the name of PROTESTING AT A MEMORIAL!

Can these creeps be any more clueless?[/CENTER]

WHooooo Weeee! Talk about clueless! The King estate is RUTHLESS about suing to get compensated for Dr. King's image, speeches, and writings, even those made in public forums.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/communications/estateofmlk.html

Gosh, drop them a line:

The King Center
449 Auburn Ave NE, Atlanta, GA 30312
404-526-8900

http://www.thekingcenter.org/

 

[Belz...]

If a building is square and the measurement is equal on all side measuring 208FT on all sides, well. that pretty much means tha building is 1 acre square.

Squared acres would have four dimensions.

Its obviously a distortion tactic.

You're not helping.

 

[Belz...]

What is the point of all this?

Acres, man. ACRES!

 

[MarkyX]

WHooooo Weeee! Talk about clueless! The King estate is RUTHLESS about suing to get compensated for Dr. King's image, speeches, and writings, even those made in public forums.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/communications/estateofmlk.html

Gosh, drop them a line:

The King Center
449 Auburn Ave NE, Atlanta, GA 30312
404-526-8900

http://www.thekingcenter.org/

Good, sue them enough where they can go bankrupt and can no longer screen.

 

[WildCat]

Good, sue them enough where they can go bankrupt and can no longer screen.

When I hear of LC screenings, why do I have a mental image of the class nerd wheeling in the TV and VCR back in high school?

 

[The_Fire]

Because you are probably not that far off?

 

[Hellbound]

Does that look like a 10.000 Gallon explosion?


I think not


Go further before that picture right to the beginning of impact and initial explosion. See where it begins.



Sentinel

Yes, actually. it does. That's rather larger than I recalled, and fits my rough estimate of the fireball size (based on explosion velocity) pretty well.

 

[Hellbound]

When I hear of LC screenings, why do I have a mental image of the class nerd wheeling in the TV and VCR back in high school?

I dunno, I always think of a small apartment with a bead curtain, several people eating a LOT of snack foods, a smoky haze in the air, and somewhat digging out an old VHS tape and wiping the dust off..."Dudes, this will, like, totally blow your minds! It's awwwwwwwesome!"

 

[60hzxtl]

When I hear of LC screenings, why do I have a mental image of the class nerd wheeling in the TV and VCR back in high school?

I don't think you are far off - If you watch the "extra's" bits (I force myself to once in a while.) It is Dylan, playing Dylan. He's got his image thing going (I'm cooler than you.) and preying on the stupidity of one group, and the grief of another, and the shock of others still. He plays the part of the smartest person in the room, provided he invites the people into the room. Dylan thinks you are stupid.

I listened to one of his radio interviews, and he can't seem to think on his feet, "uh, huh" doesn't make for very dynamic radio.

I say, keep him busy putting out the little fires, and he will get no distribution for his bilge water film. They seem to be LLC now to limit their damages, and liablilities, next he will learn about "errors and ommisions" insurance.

 

[Hutch]

Sentinel, Back on post #2593 you asked a number of questions. In post #2613 I tried to reply to them to the best of my ability. Azazal and Huntsman (posts #2622 and #2623) both worked out some mathematical values for the explosion, showing a rather impressive amount of potential energy being expended (IIRC, the low was 150 tons of TNT while the max was 300K tons of TNT).

Instead of considering/challenging these numbers or providing sound reasoning as to why the above figures would not account for the explosions seen, the sum total of your reply to date is:

Does that look like a 10.000 Gallon explosion?

I think not

You are free to think whatever you would like; I heartily approve of people thinking. However, it would help greatly to show some math and physics if you would like anyone else to think along the same lines as you.

The question being; given the power of a fuel/fuel-air explosion as calulated, why wouldn't the explosion look like what we have seen?

 

[Hellbound]

Sentinel, Back on post #2593 you asked a number of questions. In post #2613 I tried to reply to them to the best of my ability. Azazal and Huntsman (posts #2622 and #2623) both worked out some mathematical values for the explosion, showing a rather impressive amount of potential energy being expended (IIRC, the low was 150 tons of TNT while the max was 300K tons of TNT).

Actually, it was 4 tons to 150 tons, but that's still impressive

Also note that this was the energy contained in the jet fuel only, it does not include the kinetic energy of the actual impact. The maximum takeoff weight of the aircraft is 395,000 lbs (179,170 kg). Let's assume half that for the actual weight, to err on the side of caution (89,585 kg). The speed was 550 mph (885km/h or about 245 m/s). Now, kinetic energy is 1/2mv². So, that's 1/2 * 89,585 kg * (245 m/s)². That works out to 2,690,000,000 Joules of energy (roughly). Actually, looking at azazal's figures earlier, there was almost twice as much kinetic energy as there would be energy released from the fuel explosion, if I've got my math correct.

 

[60hzxtl]

The question being; given the power of a fuel/fuel-air explosion as calulated, why wouldn't the explosion look like what we have seen?

Explosion "looks like" is a trap - just like the size of the wreckage - the WTC was huge - its a matter of perspective, because not only was it huge, it was set back from streets / other buildings to make the illusion greater.

Most of Manhattan is built cheek and jowl, but not the WTC.

Any picture that includes the whole, or even most of the WTC was taken from a good distance away.

 

[dubfan]

They seem to be LLC now to limit their damages, and liablilities, next he will learn about "errors and ommisions" insurance.

It amuses me to imagine that first meeting with the attorney after they got served by the Naudets.

"You guys, *are* incorporated, aren't you?"

I picture the terrific trio exchanging quizzical looks. Incorporated? What's that?

Hey man! We're just asking questions!!

 

[azazal]

Actually, it was 4 tons to 150 tons, but that's still impressive

Also note that this was the energy contained in the jet fuel only, it does not include the kinetic energy of the actual impact. The maximum takeoff weight of the aircraft is 395,000 lbs (179,170 kg). Let's assume half that for the actual weight, to err on the side of caution (89,585 kg). The speed was 550 mph (885km/h or about 245 m/s). Now, kinetic energy is 1/2mv². So, that's 1/2 * 89,585 kg * (245 m/s)². That works out to 2,690,000,000 Joules of energy (roughly). Actually, looking at azazal's figures earlier, there was almost twice as much kinetic energy as there would be energy released from the fuel explosion, if I've got my math correct.

Or as I call it, one hell of a big boom that tore support beams to shreads and greatly weakened others. Just looking at the raw energy that was dumped into the towers by the impact and fuel, I'm supprised they stood as long as the did. But hey, guess that's just me trying to be logical.

 

[Hellbound]

Or as I call it, one hell of a big boom that tore support beams to shreads and greatly weakened others. Just looking at the raw energy that was dumped into the towers by the impact and fuel, I'm supprised they stood as long as the did. But hey, guess that's just me trying to be logical.

One other question, have we sourced the "10,000 gallons of fuel" info? From looking at Boeings site (among others), the capacity of the plane could have been as high at 28,000. It would depend on how much fuel was loaded and how much had been burned before impact.