Loose Change - Part II

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Polaris said:
Omar Saeed Sheikh wasn't involved in 9/11.
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He was.

Omission Report said:
1.1 Inside the four flights

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Atta and Omari arrived in Boston at 6:45. Seven minutes later, Atta apparently took a call from Marvin al Shehhi, a longtime collegue who was at another terminal at Logan Airpoert. They spoke for three minutes³. It would be their final conversation.

³ The call was placed from a pay phone in Terminal C (...). We presume Shehhi made this call, but we cannot be sure.
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Critical thinking, huh?
 
Childlike Empress said:
It's called opinion.
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That's exactly what it was. Don't state it as a fact.

There was no lawsuit. No chain of evidence. Only snatches of LC-Quality. Maximum.
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Who are they going to sue, the dead guys?

And your "chain of evidence" claim sounds like meaningless jargon.

The whole milieu in which they operated was omitted. The Rudys, Wolfgangs and Juergens they hung around with, the strip-clubs, the coke, the timeline and on and on. And yes, you are right. I have to base these claims on Hopsicker and the people he interviewed (like Attas girlfriend Amanda Keller). He sadly was the only one investigating.
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That's just patently false. I would suggest you begin on Section 7, which is page 215 of the report and do some reading. You'll find out plenty of information on timelines and relationships concerning these guys. As far as the strip clubs, coke, etc. that's not really cogent to the investigation or any sort of component necessary to proving these guys were involved. It's like specifying whether they wore boxers, briefs, or went commando. While that may be telling in some small way, who cares?

WTC steel, Pentagon videos... you want to tell me the surveillance camera tapes lately released compromised national security? And again, these videos where not used in a federal investigation "USA vs. Unknown" but in a laughable trial against retarded and tortured Moussaoui. (btw, i think Flight 77 hit the pentagon, don't worry).
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First of all, the WTC steel was thoroughly looked at, repsenetative samples were taken, and it was analyzed. Would you like to point you to some links from NIST and other sites that shows the WTC steel?

As far as the Pentagon videos, even though they were confiscated that still doesn't make them public property that they can release on a whim. They've also stated that the vast majority of the videos they have don't show any plane.

Is the Omar Saeed Sheikh/General Mahmoud/ISI-Connection covered in the Report?
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Excuse me, but how does that answer my question?

You mean like in "the most successful psyop"-Zarqawi?
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Proof? Not conjecture either.

I leave you for now, boys. See you later.
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My son is not even a boy. But presumptions seem to be par for the course for you.
 
Apollyon said:
That's exactly what it was. Don't state it as a fact.
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I didn't.

Apollyon said:
Who are they going to sue, the dead guys?

And your "chain of evidence" claim sounds like meaningless jargon.
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"Chain of evidence" is a meaningless jargon for you? You (the USA) even did it for the Nazis in Nuremburg.


Apollyon said:
That's just patently false. I would suggest you begin on Section 7, which is page 215 of the report and do some reading. You'll find out plenty of information on timelines and relationships concerning these guys. As far as the strip clubs, coke, etc. that's not really cogent to the investigation or any sort of component necessary to proving these guys were involved. It's like specifying whether they wore boxers, briefs, or went commando. While that may be telling in some small way, who cares?
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Who cares? I think that's the whole problem here. Who cares as long as you are able to win a "debate"?

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Apollyon said:
Proof? Not conjecture either.
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washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890_pf.html
 
Chlidlike Empress, things seem to have gotten off to a very bad start here. How about this: s

1) State who you think is responsible for the terrorist acts of 9/11.

2) Present coherent evidence that supports your position.
 
Sentinel said:
Did you here the latest?

Dylan's going Hollywood,LOL.

Sentinel
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Yes, we have heard that Dylan Avery is trying to get a distrubution deal for "Loose Change Final Cut." You'll find that people are pretty well informed here.

Paul, perhaps you can answer some questions that your internet posts have raised. You've PM'd me twice, and I've asked you to state your case here.

1) Do you know of any members of the FDNY who were at the WTC during 9/11 and believe, today, that the buildings were brought down by demolitions charges?

2) You've made the accusation that Dylan Avery "stole" from you the idea of using the demolition of the Maspeth holding tanks as "evidence" for the WTC CD theory. The planning, neighborhood concerns, and demolition are all matters of public record. What do you find suspicious about the destruction of those tanks?

3) Do you believe that the U.S. government was involved with the planning and execution of the terrorist attacks?
 
Childlike Empress said:
Why should i, Gravy? I explained what in my opinion is the key evidence for 9/11 beeing an inside job. Please answer to that, alpha dog.
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Why should you? Because you're making a serious accusation. 9/11 was an inside job by whom? Please try to present a coherent hypothesis.
 
Childlike Empress said:
And that is?
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Conspiracy theory

A conspiracy theory attempts to explain the ultimate cause of an event (usually a political, social, or historical event) as a secret, and often deceptive, plot by a covert alliance of powerful people or organizations rather than as an overt activity or as natural occurrence.

While history has shown that crimes carried out by a group of people (a "conspiracy") are not uncommon, the term "conspiracy theory" is usually used by scholars and in popular culture to identify a type of folklore similar to an urban legend, having certain regular features, especially an explanatory narrative which is constructed with certain naïve methodological flaws.
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WildCat said:
No foreign accent, but I'll be damned if I can figure out where this guy is coming from or what his views are.
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It seems like Isaac is just saying: It's inappropriate to spread your propaganda about 9/11 around the 9/11 memorial. They're taking advantage of people while they're grieving. Classic culty behavior.

And, CHRIST, that guy with the backwards hat is annoying: like some kind of wacky, wind-up CT jukebox.

"There's over 400 family members suing the Bush Administration for carrying out the attacks!"

"Maybe we should tell Vietnam veterans the Gulf of Tonkin never happened! Maybe we should go along with the official version!"

Bystander: "The same people who killed Kennedy, did this."
Baseball Hat Guy: "That's right, sir."

This guy can sure compress a LOT of crazy into a short stretch. That was in less than five minutes, right there!
 
Axiom_Blade said:
It seems like Isaac is just saying:And, CHRIST, that guy with the backwards hat is annoying: like some kind of wacky, wind-up CT jukebox.
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That's Jason Bermas, who gets his history from the back of "Kaptain Konspiracy" cereal boxes.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
It seems like Isaac is just saying: It's inappropriate to spread your propaganda about 9/11 around the 9/11 memorial.
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True, but he seems to agree w/ the CT. Just read his posts here.

At least he doesn't dance on the victim's graves like the loosers do.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
It seems like Isaac is just saying: It's inappropriate to spread your propaganda about 9/11 around the 9/11 memorial. They're taking advantage of people while they're grieving. Classic culty behavior.

And, CHRIST, that guy with the backwards hat is annoying: like some kind of wacky, wind-up CT jukebox.
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That's Jason Bermas, Dylan's research guy and webmaster. Note as well that he lies several times to Isaac, saying that he doesn't know any of the other people there, that he's never met them.
 
RandFandipedia said:
A conspiracy theory attempts to explain the ultimate cause of an event (usually a political, social, or historical event) as a secret, and often deceptive, plot by a covert alliance of powerful people or organizations rather than as an overt activity or as natural occurrence.

While history has shown that crimes carried out by a group of people (a "conspiracy") are not uncommon, the term "conspiracy theory" is usually used by scholars and in popular culture to identify a type of folklore similar to an urban legend, having certain regular features, especially an explanatory narrative which is constructed with certain naïve methodological flaws.
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Ok, you're a Wikipedia-Guy. I personally have some kind of problems drawing the border between common crimes and "folklore". Sorry.

Gravy said:
Why should you? Because you're making a serious accusation. 9/11 was an inside job by whom? Please try to present a coherent hypothesis.
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Nope. I'm trying to falsify the common hypothesis. If i am successful at that (or nobody proves it), we all should try to find a better one.

Good night, sleep tight, and don’t let the bed bugs bite.
 
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