Loose Change - Part II

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No, it isn't crap. It contains a lot of errors and hearsay and is by far not good enough to convince people like you that the official CT is crap.

The key issues? The cover-up is the key issue.
You begin immediately with an assumption couched as a fact. It doesn't do much for your credibility nor does it present an example of open-mindedness on the issue.

1. The USA is a constitutional republic. Mass murder is the most serious crime one can commit. Shouldn't there be a criminal investigation "USA vs. Unknown, case: the massmurder of September 11th 2001"? Instead of this the FBI came up on the first day with this list of 19 Highjackers which wasn't changed till then, they showed us a crappy videostill of Atta entering an Airport, his passport and a Koran and a Testament in his alleged car. Where is the chain of evidence for the official CT?
There was an investigation by the FBI. But what are they going to do when the murderers killed themselves while committing the crime?

2. The FBI investigated in Florida for a few weeks, then they were ordered back to investigate the "Anthrax letters". They never returned and a lot of people say, the FBI told them not to talk about their experiences. Who was behind the anthrax letters the FBI so diligently investigated?
A lot of people say this, or is it Hopsicker that claims this? It seems that you are basing just about all of your claims on Hopsicker. It's always wise, when formulating ideas or opinions, to get your information from a wide variety of sources.

3. The people I mentioned in 2. were interviewed by Daniel Hopsicker - he has to do the work of the whole investigative apparatus of the US. He found out that Mohammed Attas trail leads directly into the international organized crime scene and that the "Commision Report" can indeed be called an "Omission Report".
Care to outline where the 9/11 Report contained ommissions? I always hear this claim made by the CTs but it's always a general accusation with zero specifics.

4. Evidence was destroyed or is under closure.
Such as? Again, your being accusatory by making a general statement.

5. The Legend was tweaked several times and people like the alleged masterminds Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh are not on trial or were even allowed to witness in the Moussaoui-trial.
How was the legend tweaked? Are you basing that on what the media reported.

I've got news for you...the media frequently reports incorrectly, particularly when it comes to big news stories. In their rush to present a scoop they often don't verify their stories or sources. As evidence, see Katrina and even the killing of Zarqawi yesterday.

6. "Coincidently", parts of the "Truth movement" have connections to the very same people that should be under investigation and their net of "woo"-spreading clowns.
Ever heard of six degrees of seperation? If I looked hard enough I could probably connect you to the Mafia, Michael Moore, and Josef Stalin. So what?

YOU are the people who don't get the bigger picture - not the folks over at the LC Forum.
The only picture I get is that you haven't proven a single thing and most of your statements are either straw men or red herrings.
 
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Why? Please explain.
Your suggestion that there should be an investigation assumes that there is significant reason to doubt the prevailing wisdom for 9/11. There isn't any more reason to doubt that prevailing wisdom than there is for all of the other CT's.

So let's open investigations for all of them, why not?

Edited: My spelling and grammer have really gotten bad recently. What's up with that?
 
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You begin immediately with an asusmption couched as a fact. It doesn't do much for your credibility nor does it present an example of open-mindedness on the issue.
It's called opinion.

There was an investigation by the FBI. But what are they going to do when the murderers killed themselves while committing the crime?
There was no lawsuit. No chain of evidence. Only snatches of LC-Quality. Maximum.

A lot of people say this, or is it Hopsicker that claims this? It seems that you are basing just about all of your claims on Hopsicker. It's always wise, when formulating ideas or opinions, to get your information from a wide variety of sources.
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Care to outline where the 9/11 Report contained ommissions? I always hear this claim made by the CTs but it's always a general accusation with zero specifics.
The whole milieu in which they operated was omitted. The Rudys, Wolfgangs and Juergens they hung around with, the strip-clubs, the coke, the timeline and on and on. And yes, you are right. I have to base these claims on Hopsicker and the people he interviewed (like Attas girlfriend Amanda Keller). He sadly was the only one investigating.

Such as? Again, your being accusatory by making a general statement.
WTC steel, Pentagon videos... you want to tell me the surveillance camera tapes lately released compromised national security? And again, these videos where not used in a federal investigation "USA vs. Unknown" but in a laughable trial against retarded and tortured Moussaoui. (btw, i think Flight 77 hit the pentagon, don't worry).

How was the legend tweaked? Are you basing that on what the media reported.
Is the Omar Saeed Sheikh/General Mahmoud/ISI-Connection covered in the Report?

I've got news for you...the media frequently reports incorrectly, particularly when it comes to big news stories. In their rush to present a scoop they often don't verify their stories or sources. As evidence, see Katrina and even the killing of Zarqawi yesterday.
You mean like in "the most successful psyop"-Zarqawi?

RandFan said:
prevailing wisdom
Whose prevailing wisdom? I want evidence.

I leave you for now, boys. See you later.
 
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Mr. X: Welcome gentlemen. Some of you have already been briefed and the others can find details of The Plan in the dossier before you. This meeting is being recorded and will be transcribed for our secret records. Per PNAC policy, we will be using our code names today in case the room is bugged or if the recording were to fall into enemy hands.

Mr. Pink: Code names? Why do we have to use our code names? I hate my code name.

Hey, that's terrific! Do you mind if I post it on Screw Loose Change? I'll give you credit and link back over here.
 
Speaking of Hopsicker, has anyone ever investigated his claims? I know I found one instance of him stretching the truth on his madcowprod site, otherwise I've haven't found much regarding his claims.
 
Sentinal, is English a second language for you? Third? Seventeenth?

No offense.
LC extra footage featuring Sentinel (Paul Isaac Jr.) can be seen here. Starts at about the 7:40 mark.

No foreign accent, but I'll be damned if I can figure out where this guy is coming from or what his views are.
 
Official?

Which of the hundreds of 9/11 CTs are you referring to?
This is what they call the gov't version of events. It's meant to imply that all CT's are the same, so the CT'ers claims of pods, controlled demos, missiles, etc. is every bit as legitimate as the official version backed up by mountains of evidence.
 
LC extra footage featuring Sentinel (Paul Isaac Jr.) can be seen here. Starts at about the 7:40 mark.

No foreign accent, but I'll be damned if I can figure out where this guy is coming from or what his views are.

It is my impression that Isaac was being a good guy that afternoon, arguing with Bermas that their demonstration was inappropriate for what was going on at Ground Zero that day (9/11/05). And he was dead on correct; as I've said there's no real difference between Dylan Avery and Fred Phelps.

I don't know if Sentinel is really Isaac or not. If he is, it's my impression that he's arguing that he's not a conspiracy theory nutbar like some websites claim he is.
 
This is what they call the gov't version of events. It's meant to imply that all CT's are the same, so the CT'ers claims of pods, controlled demos, missiles, etc. is every bit as legitimate as the official version backed up by mountains of evidence.

Oh, I'm sorry, I call that reality.
 
I don't know if Sentinel is really Isaac or not. If he is, it's my impression that he's arguing that he's not a conspiracy theory nutbar like some websites claim he is.

He is, I asked.

One of these days I'm going to buy him a beer if I go to New York.
 
The whole milieu in which they operated was omitted. The Rudys, Wolfgangs and Juergens they hung around with, the strip-clubs, the coke, the timeline and on and on. And yes, you are right. I have to base these claims on Hopsicker and the people he interviewed (like Attas girlfriend Amanda Keller). He sadly was the only one investigating.


WTC steel, Pentagon videos... you want to tell me the surveillance camera tapes lately released compromised national security? And again, these videos where not used in a federal investigation "USA vs. Unknown" but in a laughable trial against retarded and tortured Moussaoui. (btw, i think Flight 77 hit the pentagon, don't worry).


Is the Omar Saeed Sheikh/General Mahmoud/ISI-Connection covered in the Report?
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Omar Saeed Sheikh wasn't involved in 9/11.

And apparently you've never heard of taqfir (or ketman). Lying to the infidel for the good of Islam is a sacred duty for believers in that doctrine. Martyrdom is sort of like the ultimate Yom Kippur, or indulgence in the old Papal sense of the word. Anything they do before then is stripped away if they martyr themselves for Allah - especially if they do things abhorrant to their sense of morality to throw the hated infidels off their trail (things like drinking and gambling publicly - drinking, btw, isn't nearly as bad in Islam as other things, you may find - ask any number of Turks or Iranians). Taqfir incidentally is strong among Egyptian Ikhwan/Wahhab-enthusiasts. And also, these weren't normal people, even among jihadis - even they have a low percentage of people who sign up to become suicide bombers. The 19 scumbags were extreme versions of the same insulating, encapsulating self-fulfilling pathology that affected Joseph D. Pistone. In case you're unfamiliar with that name, he was the undercover FBI agent whom "Donnie Brasco" was based on. I'm sure he felt repulsed by the things he did in order to keep from blowing his cover. Think of that as taqfir for the good guys - and he had a much less millenarian motive for doing what he did. There were no 72 virgins waiting for him when he got Benjamin Ruggiero and Dominick Napolitano thrown in prison.
 
LC extra footage featuring Sentinel (Paul Isaac Jr.) can be seen here. Starts at about the 7:40 mark.

No foreign accent, but I'll be damned if I can figure out where this guy is coming from or what his views are.


Pretty painful to get to the 7:40 mark - Ya gotta watch Dylan playing the part of Dylan the brave guerilla poster.

Later you get to take time out for Dylan to hug one of the regulars, a ground zero huckster who sells maps to the tourists.

Stick around for Dylan the disinformation expert, leading the widow Leila Negron around by the innuendo.


Hey Rand Fan, a pleasure to be in your company. We are both BS you know.
 
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