bob_kark
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Well, if we weren't ignoring you before...
Loose Change - Part II
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Well, if we weren't ignoring you before...
But just look at these kids -
They will keep chasing shadows, and ghosts, and boogie-men, because it's self perpetuating - you never catch them, they are just around the next corner.
But bring the hammer down on a real bad guy and they whine:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5916&st=90
And they are still whining!
They will keep chasing shadows, and ghosts, and boogie-men, because it's self perpetuating - you never catch them, they are just around the next corner.
But bring the hammer down on a real bad guy and they whine:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5916&st=90
And they are still whining!
Was thermite used on the Madrid towers??? More evidence!!!!
The official reports do not adequately address the issue of molten metal.
http://www.iht.com/getina/files/225478.html
Bright orange and red flames devoured the building, initially ravaging the upper floors before spreading downward, stripping away its metal and glass shell in twisted pieces to expose the smoldering concrete skeleton. Giant fireballs were seen rising into the night sky as parts of its sides collapsed, raining fire and molten metal onto the streets below.
LOL!!
Regnad Kcin
Penultimate Amazing
Sentinal, is English a second language for you? Third? Seventeenth?
No offense.
No offense.
The_Fire
Unimpressed Female
Done.
Hellbound
Merchant of Doom
Actually, it's just that we expect evidence when someone pops on making accusations.
We don't respect the opinions of nutballs on the left or right, unless they can back up thier claims.
Regnad Kcin
Penultimate Amazing
Please don't play the victim. It's unseemly.
In any event, there are those engaged in this topic whose political views place them all over the political spectrum. This is not a "left vs. right" debate, making your point invalid.
This is a forum dedicated to critical thinking. You're welcome to contribute, but don't expect non-critical thinking to be given a pass.
What is your story anyway?
Do you believe 9/11 was an inside job. I've heard all sorts of strange claims about you?
Childlike Empress
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No, it isn't crap. It contains a lot of errors and hearsay and is by far not good enough to convince people like you that the official CT is crap.chipmunk stew said:
The key issues? The cover-up is the key issue.
1. The USA is a constitutional republic. Mass murder is the most serious crime one can commit. Shouldn't there be a criminal investigation "USA vs. Unknown, case: the massmurder of September 11th 2001"? Instead of this the FBI came up on the first day with this list of 19 Highjackers which wasn't changed till then, they showed us a crappy videostill of Atta entering an Airport, his passport and a Koran and a Testament in his alleged car. Where is the chain of evidence for the official CT?
2. The FBI investigated in Florida for a few weeks, then they were ordered back to investigate the "Anthrax letters". They never returned and a lot of people say, the FBI told them not to talk about their experiences. Who was behind the anthrax letters the FBI so diligently investigated?
3. The people I mentioned in 2. were interviewed by Daniel Hopsicker - he has to do the work of the whole investigative apparatus of the US. He found out that Mohammed Attas trail leads directly into the international organized crime scene and that the "Commision Report" can indeed be called an "Omission Report".
4. Evidence was destroyed or is under closure.
5. The Legend was tweaked several times and people like the alleged masterminds Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh are not on trial or were even allowed to witness in the Moussaoui-trial.
6. "Coincidently", parts of the "Truth movement" have connections to the very same people that should be under investigation and their net of "woo"-spreading clowns.
YOU are the people who don't get the bigger picture - not the folks over at the LC Forum.
The Conspiracy - a fly on the wall
Mr. X: Welcome gentlemen. Some of you have already been briefed and the others can find details of The Plan in the dossier before you. This meeting is being recorded and will be transcribed for our secret records. Per PNAC policy, we will be using our code names today in case the room is bugged or if the recording were to fall into enemy hands.
Mr. Pink: Code names? Why do we have to use our code names? I hate my code name.
Mr. X: We’ve been over this before, Mr. Pink. Everyone has a color, selected randomly.
Mr. Pink: Why can’t we pick our own colors? I’ve always wanted to be Mr. Purple.
Mr. X: We tried that before and everyone started bickering over who was going to be Mr. Black. It isn’t worth the aggravation. You are Mr. Pink, you’re going to stay Mr. Pink and I don’t want to hear another word about it!
Mr. Pink: Oh, fine.
Mr. X: Now, if you open your dossier to the first page you will see a brief synopsis of The Plan.
Mr. Pink (reading): …Are you ****ing serious? You want to start a war… by blowing up the World Trade Center?
Mr. X: Yes, but if you read beyond the first paragraph you’ll see that the Plan entails more than just that.
Mr. Pink: How did you dream up a crazy stunt like this?
Mr. X: I’m glad you asked. I happened to be browsing through some old declassified files one evening when I came across a document called Operation Northwood, which you’ll find a copy of in the Appendences. You’ll see that it was rather modest in scope but it had some rather intriguing elements. Of course that pussy, Kennedy, never implemented it.
Mr. Orange (snickering): We taught that guy a lesson, didn’t we? (high-fives with Mr. Red, sitting next to him)
Mr. Pink: Uh, you want to fill the World Trade Center with college students, blow it up and blame the Cubans? ….Can they be Berkley college students?
Mr. X: Nooo, the plan is to fake a terrorist attack on four prominent US targets, using four hijacked airliners, and then use it as an excuse to further our agenda by declaring war on pretty much anyone we want! We’ve selected both towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, the Pentagon and the White House.
Mr. Brown: Excuse me, but I’ve received word from the White House and they are not particularly thrilled about being on the target list. I’ve been told that Mrs. Bush just finished redecorating the east wing and they are very concerned about domestic fallout, if you know what I mean. They suggest we cancel that portion of the plan or select a new target.
Mr. X: Hmmm, it’s a little late to be switching targets now and I do so hate to cancel….
Mr. Brown: How about we just shoot the plane down and say they intended to hit the White House? That should be nearly as effective, particularly if we play up the human tragedy angle.
Mr. White: How about tearful last phone calls to loved ones from the doomed passengers on their cell phones? We could prerecord those so they sound suitably gut-wrenching and authentic!
Mr. Orange: …and a heroic but ill-fated last stand by the passengers. The public will go ape-**** over a drama like that!
Mr. X: Fantastic ideas, gentlemen! Truly diabolical.
Mr. Pink: You know, the last time I tried to use my cell phone in flight it didn’t work very well.
Mr. X: Don’t worry about things like that! We’ll figure out some sort of explanation later.
Mr. Pink (intently reading the dossier): It’s not really clear - are we going to crash real airliners with real passengers or are we going to fake it?
Mr. X: The plan is to fake the Pentagon flight. Mr. White has acquired a nifty cruise missile which we’ve painted with the American Airline colors. It should do the trick.
Mr. Pink: Are we doing this operation at night?
Mr. X: No, in broad daylight.
Mr. Pink: Won’t hundreds of people see the cruise missile? Won’t we need authentic looking wreckage? Won’t the crash site be investigated? You know, not everyone shares our views or even likes us. Some pretty powerful people are going to be pretty powerfully pissed about this!
Mr. X: Mr. Pink, what is with all these questions?! We’re all big picture men here. The details are for subordinates. Don’t worry, someone will handle it.
Mr. Brown: Oh, that reminds me. Some of the guys are starting to get cold feet about the Pentagon hit. They have friends there.
Mr. X: Damn it, Mr. Brown. We are not changing two plans!
Mr. Brown: How about we at least hit the side that they just reinforced? That will reduce some of the damage. We can reprogram the missile and I’ll tell our buddies to move their offices to the other side or go fishing that day.
Mr. X (waves his hand dismissively): Whatever.
(Mr. Pink raises his hand)
Mr. X (exasperated): Yes, Mr. Pink.
Mr. Pink: I’m reading here that you intend to fly a jet airliner into each of the twin towers so they will completely collapse.
Mr. X: Yes.
Mr. Pink: Will that happen? I mean, can an airliner really take down a building like that?
Mr. X (a mischievous smile across his face): It doesn’t matter.
Mr. Pink: Eh?
Mr. Orange (impatiently): God man, can’t you read? Page 76 - we’re going to secretly plant explosive charges to bring ‘em down. Controlled Dem-o-lition! (high-fives with Mr. Red, again.)
(Mr. Pink’s face gets beet-red. It looks like he is going to have an aneurism.)
Mr. Pink: Forgive me for asking but …are you all ****ing deranged? The logistics of an operation like that are immense! How can we keep it secret? Not to mention that you’re planning a controlled demolition that will be filmed and seen by the entire freakin’ world! How on earth can we get away with that?
Mr. Yellow: People are sheep, they’re stupid. Our damage control unit will manage the aftermath - threats, bribes, the usual. Most people will believe what we tell them to believe. The rest?….. (shrugs)
(Mr. Pink gets up, walks over to Mr. Yellow and starts to rap him angrily on the head.)
Mr. Pink: Hellooo, McFlyyy!!! If we get caught we won’t just go to jail, we’ll be executed, you dick! Starting wars and jacking up the defense budget are great things but not if you’re taking lethal injection! You jack-asses have concocted a scheme that even a retarded high-school reject would never believe!
Mr. Brown: Wanna bet?
Mr. Green: While we’re on the subject, is it too late to add building seven to the list? There is an interested party who would like to see that building go down also if it isn’t too much trouble.
Mr. Pink (nearly beside himself): Oh sure, building seven. Where is building seven? (Rifles through his dossier until he comes across a map of the World Trade Center Complex) Beautiful! Marvelous! And how will we explain building seven? What if no debris hits it? Will you pull it anyways for no apparent reason or leave it intact with all those demolition charges exposed?
Mr. Orange: Pink, I’m getting tired of your attitude! You’ve got to think optimistically. Reach for the brass ring! After all we have a long and glorious history of conspiracies and secrets and this will be just one more to the list. How about that alien spacecraft we’ve got in Area 51, eh? Answer me that smart-boy!
(Mr. Pink grabs Mr. Orange by the shirt collar and lifts roughly him to his feet.)
Mr. Pink: There is no alien spacecraft, you moron. Never was.
(Mr. Orange looks to Mr. X, who slowly shakes his head.)
Mr. Orange (sheepishly): Well….
Mr. X (coughs): Well! I think that Mr. Pink has brought up some valid points which we’ll have to discuss at another time. In the meantime please read your dossier before destroying it. And noooo leaking to the press! We are PNAC. And PNAC backwards spells EVIL. (Maniacal laughter from around the room.)
Mr. Pink: No-it-does-not!
Mr. X: Oh, shut-up.
Mr. X: Welcome gentlemen. Some of you have already been briefed and the others can find details of The Plan in the dossier before you. This meeting is being recorded and will be transcribed for our secret records. Per PNAC policy, we will be using our code names today in case the room is bugged or if the recording were to fall into enemy hands.
Mr. Pink: Code names? Why do we have to use our code names? I hate my code name.
Mr. X: We’ve been over this before, Mr. Pink. Everyone has a color, selected randomly.
Mr. Pink: Why can’t we pick our own colors? I’ve always wanted to be Mr. Purple.
Mr. X: We tried that before and everyone started bickering over who was going to be Mr. Black. It isn’t worth the aggravation. You are Mr. Pink, you’re going to stay Mr. Pink and I don’t want to hear another word about it!
Mr. Pink: Oh, fine.
Mr. X: Now, if you open your dossier to the first page you will see a brief synopsis of The Plan.
Mr. Pink (reading): …Are you ****ing serious? You want to start a war… by blowing up the World Trade Center?
Mr. X: Yes, but if you read beyond the first paragraph you’ll see that the Plan entails more than just that.
Mr. Pink: How did you dream up a crazy stunt like this?
Mr. X: I’m glad you asked. I happened to be browsing through some old declassified files one evening when I came across a document called Operation Northwood, which you’ll find a copy of in the Appendences. You’ll see that it was rather modest in scope but it had some rather intriguing elements. Of course that pussy, Kennedy, never implemented it.
Mr. Orange (snickering): We taught that guy a lesson, didn’t we? (high-fives with Mr. Red, sitting next to him)
Mr. Pink: Uh, you want to fill the World Trade Center with college students, blow it up and blame the Cubans? ….Can they be Berkley college students?
Mr. X: Nooo, the plan is to fake a terrorist attack on four prominent US targets, using four hijacked airliners, and then use it as an excuse to further our agenda by declaring war on pretty much anyone we want! We’ve selected both towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, the Pentagon and the White House.
Mr. Brown: Excuse me, but I’ve received word from the White House and they are not particularly thrilled about being on the target list. I’ve been told that Mrs. Bush just finished redecorating the east wing and they are very concerned about domestic fallout, if you know what I mean. They suggest we cancel that portion of the plan or select a new target.
Mr. X: Hmmm, it’s a little late to be switching targets now and I do so hate to cancel….
Mr. Brown: How about we just shoot the plane down and say they intended to hit the White House? That should be nearly as effective, particularly if we play up the human tragedy angle.
Mr. White: How about tearful last phone calls to loved ones from the doomed passengers on their cell phones? We could prerecord those so they sound suitably gut-wrenching and authentic!
Mr. Orange: …and a heroic but ill-fated last stand by the passengers. The public will go ape-**** over a drama like that!
Mr. X: Fantastic ideas, gentlemen! Truly diabolical.
Mr. Pink: You know, the last time I tried to use my cell phone in flight it didn’t work very well.
Mr. X: Don’t worry about things like that! We’ll figure out some sort of explanation later.
Mr. Pink (intently reading the dossier): It’s not really clear - are we going to crash real airliners with real passengers or are we going to fake it?
Mr. X: The plan is to fake the Pentagon flight. Mr. White has acquired a nifty cruise missile which we’ve painted with the American Airline colors. It should do the trick.
Mr. Pink: Are we doing this operation at night?
Mr. X: No, in broad daylight.
Mr. Pink: Won’t hundreds of people see the cruise missile? Won’t we need authentic looking wreckage? Won’t the crash site be investigated? You know, not everyone shares our views or even likes us. Some pretty powerful people are going to be pretty powerfully pissed about this!
Mr. X: Mr. Pink, what is with all these questions?! We’re all big picture men here. The details are for subordinates. Don’t worry, someone will handle it.
Mr. Brown: Oh, that reminds me. Some of the guys are starting to get cold feet about the Pentagon hit. They have friends there.
Mr. X: Damn it, Mr. Brown. We are not changing two plans!
Mr. Brown: How about we at least hit the side that they just reinforced? That will reduce some of the damage. We can reprogram the missile and I’ll tell our buddies to move their offices to the other side or go fishing that day.
Mr. X (waves his hand dismissively): Whatever.
(Mr. Pink raises his hand)
Mr. X (exasperated): Yes, Mr. Pink.
Mr. Pink: I’m reading here that you intend to fly a jet airliner into each of the twin towers so they will completely collapse.
Mr. X: Yes.
Mr. Pink: Will that happen? I mean, can an airliner really take down a building like that?
Mr. X (a mischievous smile across his face): It doesn’t matter.
Mr. Pink: Eh?
Mr. Orange (impatiently): God man, can’t you read? Page 76 - we’re going to secretly plant explosive charges to bring ‘em down. Controlled Dem-o-lition! (high-fives with Mr. Red, again.)
(Mr. Pink’s face gets beet-red. It looks like he is going to have an aneurism.)
Mr. Pink: Forgive me for asking but …are you all ****ing deranged? The logistics of an operation like that are immense! How can we keep it secret? Not to mention that you’re planning a controlled demolition that will be filmed and seen by the entire freakin’ world! How on earth can we get away with that?
Mr. Yellow: People are sheep, they’re stupid. Our damage control unit will manage the aftermath - threats, bribes, the usual. Most people will believe what we tell them to believe. The rest?….. (shrugs)
(Mr. Pink gets up, walks over to Mr. Yellow and starts to rap him angrily on the head.)
Mr. Pink: Hellooo, McFlyyy!!! If we get caught we won’t just go to jail, we’ll be executed, you dick! Starting wars and jacking up the defense budget are great things but not if you’re taking lethal injection! You jack-asses have concocted a scheme that even a retarded high-school reject would never believe!
Mr. Brown: Wanna bet?
Mr. Green: While we’re on the subject, is it too late to add building seven to the list? There is an interested party who would like to see that building go down also if it isn’t too much trouble.
Mr. Pink (nearly beside himself): Oh sure, building seven. Where is building seven? (Rifles through his dossier until he comes across a map of the World Trade Center Complex) Beautiful! Marvelous! And how will we explain building seven? What if no debris hits it? Will you pull it anyways for no apparent reason or leave it intact with all those demolition charges exposed?
Mr. Orange: Pink, I’m getting tired of your attitude! You’ve got to think optimistically. Reach for the brass ring! After all we have a long and glorious history of conspiracies and secrets and this will be just one more to the list. How about that alien spacecraft we’ve got in Area 51, eh? Answer me that smart-boy!
(Mr. Pink grabs Mr. Orange by the shirt collar and lifts roughly him to his feet.)
Mr. Pink: There is no alien spacecraft, you moron. Never was.
(Mr. Orange looks to Mr. X, who slowly shakes his head.)
Mr. Orange (sheepishly): Well….
Mr. X (coughs): Well! I think that Mr. Pink has brought up some valid points which we’ll have to discuss at another time. In the meantime please read your dossier before destroying it. And noooo leaking to the press! We are PNAC. And PNAC backwards spells EVIL. (Maniacal laughter from around the room.)
Mr. Pink: No-it-does-not!
Mr. X: Oh, shut-up.
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CurtC
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furrod, that's some real talent!
RandFan
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Sure, and we should have a criminal investigation into contrails, Illuminati, Trilateral Commission, IRS, and of course, the JEWS.
Uh, no, because you don't want to have to put your evidence out before you have your case. Keeps it from being made useless. And you can't try a dead man.
I was case # 1160 at NBC. Wanna hear the story? It'll bore ya to tears. I'd like to know who was behind it, but I have things to do - like clean the paint cans out of the basement.
Destroyed? Closure? Huh? Just because they didn't tell you, doesn't mean it wasn't used.
KSM, and Bini, are not charged as criminals. If they were brought to the USA or used as witnesses, their intel value is gone. Buddies of yours?
Pay attention next time in philosophy class - the rules of war, and a just war were worked out a long time ago - even before Prescott Bush.
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Childlike Empress
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@RandFan & 60hzxtl: Total bullsh*t.
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Goodness. My ignore list is growing like a weed today.
Steve
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Good answer! Witty and informative at the same time. No-one could ask for anything more. (No sarcasm here)
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Touched a nerve.RandFan
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BTW, it's only the logical consequence of your argument. Deal with it or change your argument.
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