Looking for Skeptics

[trustbutverify]

The name of Tracey's website's, Chapter 23, refers to the section of the error-riddled work of potboiler thriller fiction called The DaVinci Code, which the spirits told her to read.

Page 17.

... for weeks Reg continued to repeat certain information and instruction "Read the Da Vinci Code" He'd been asking me to read the book since November. I had a fair excuse for not reading the book yet, no time, even though the spirits had practically handed the book to me, I just don't read books. "Okay Trace, you've read the beginning headed "Fact:" now read chapter 23" Chapter 23 really was an eye-opener, and possibly explains the reason why the spirits often spoke of Da Vinci .​

In the cited novel, author Dan Brown makes a number of factually incorrect and internally self-contradictory claims about Leonardo Da Vinci and his work. Among these are that Leonardo (the name by which historians and artists know him, not "Da Vinci" which only refers to the town of his origin), was a "prankster" who inserted "hidden symbolism" and pagan messages into his paintings, like a mischievous schoolboy. For whom these messages were intended is never explained; it could not have been for the Priory of Sion (the overarching fictional organization behind much of the novel's plot) because its members already knew the "secrets" supposedly on display. it further staggers belief that Leonardo would have risked exposing himself and this magnificent secret information purely for the thrill of danger or for pushing the limits of what he could get away with, when he supposedly knew the homicidal lengths to which the Church would go to suppress these "secrets".

A second absurd claim is that Leonardo was a "flamboyant homosexual", which is not supported by any account of the man either from himself or by those who knew him. He might have been secretly gay, we'll never know, but he certainly was not "flamboyant" about it.

A third claim made by the pagan-leaning novel Tracey says the spirits wanted her to read is that one of Leonardo's paintings, The Virgin of the Rocks, was so filled "with explosive and disturbing details" that it was rejected by the Catholic organization that had commissioned it. This claim contradicts the earlier claims of "hidden symbolism" which Brown asserts the artist placed into his paintings. If these messages were so "hidden", how could they have been recognized as "explosive and disturbing" by non-Priory members?

This kind of unsupportable, contradictory accusation goes on for the full text of Brown's awful novel. The book pushes an attack on the historical foundations of the Catholic Church and propounds the belief that Jesus never died nor was resurrected, but married Mary Magdalene after being taken down from the cross, and raised children with her. Maybe all that is true -- who knows? -- but that Tracey cites this anti-Catholic work of fiction as a touchstone for her imaginary spirits only underlines the fact that her entire enterprise here is based on falsehood and fiction.

I wonder what this delightful woman has to say about Da Joos. Thanks for wading through this garbage and providing summaries.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

I feel bad for flaccon because she is forced to live in an ignorant age where people no longer realize that house cats are actually satanic demons determined to infect the human race with cancer and moral disintegration. She longs for the days when people routinely kicked them on sight, but now that is somewhat frowned upon because we have turned away from the wisdom of the past. Back then our ancestors understood that torturing small felines was the key to battling Satan and preventing cancer!

You may have a point, she did milk three cats last week...

 

[Vortigern99]

I didn't mean to open up the floor to attacks or insults on Tracey/flaccon. I believe she is mentally unstable, and have offered support for this claim from passages she claims to have written on her website. She needs medical help to address a neurochemical imbalance, IMO.

But I don't mean to insinuate she's a bad person, an anti-semite or a cat-kicker. She says she owns cats and will not stop loving them just because some spirits told her to. That she questions the righteousness of her spirit voices is a good sign, I think, that she is skeptical herself of what she thinks she sees and hears.

 

[trustbutverify]

I didn't mean to open up the floor to attacks or insults on Tracey/flaccon. I believe she is mentally unstable, and have offered support for this claim from passages she claims to have written on her website. She needs medical help to address a neurochemical imbalance, IMO.

But I don't mean to insinuate she's a bad person, an anti-semite or a cat-kicker. She says she owns cats and will not stop loving them just because some spirits told her to. That she questions the righteousness of her spirit voices is a good sign, I think, that she is skeptical herself of what she thinks she sees and hears.

It's not your fault. I'm the bad one. And her "spirit guides" can kiss my ass.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

I didn't mean to open up the floor to attacks or insults on Tracey/flaccon. I believe she is mentally unstable, and have offered support for this claim from passages she claims to have written on her website. She needs medical help to address a neurochemical imbalance, IMO.

But I don't mean to insinuate she's a bad person, an anti-semite or a cat-kicker. She says she owns cats and will not stop loving them just because some spirits told her to. That she questions the righteousness of her spirit voices is a good sign, I think, that she is skeptical herself of what she thinks she sees and hears.

Cat milking jokes aside, I certainly agree with the above and remain optimistic about progress.

 

[asydhouse]

I can imagine that when flaccon comes back and reads all this, she's going to feel pretty unwelcome. Of course she may be reading it "from afar"... just because she's gone somewhere over the week end doesn't mean she hasn't got access to the internet. Also her daughter and "friends" (who were apparently "shocked" for some reason much earlier when there had been none of this creeping disrespect - if what's going on now could be termed as such, which isn't really so much disrespect as it is distaste, but that's another matter - these so-called "friends" who seem to be supporting the continuance of her delusional thought patterns - may be continuing to monitor the thread.

Perhaps this whole "going away" thing is a set up by these "friends" of hers in order to see how we would react to a disturbing phone call from her? They are experimenting on us, now?

The timing of her phone call just after she stopped posting, is quite suspicious. We are meant to think she's not reading so that we talk about her... as we have devolved into doing.

I don't know. See where devious behaviour leads, flaccon? Where trust erodes into paranoia through not being open-hearted and honest, both with yourself and with others? So much good will displayed for so many pages on this thread, and yet here we are getting snarky and paranoid...

sigh

flaccon, please know that you are welcome to return here. Most of us have a compassionate concern for your well-being, please come back and simply tell us what's going on.

Those of us who are growing fed up with you are going to keep out of it for the time being, and let this thread return to an attempt to work together with you... until you make that impossible. Which, the way things have been going, may not be long, of course. That's up to you. Please take this as a well meant and friendly invitation. I, and I'm sure everyone else, do not want to see you suffer.

I hope I'm making a reasonable suggestion here for people to put aside any rising hostility some may be feeling?

I suggest a "recess"... we can "reconvene" next week.

Oh dear, that rather sounds like I'm referring to this as if it were a court room! That's not what I meant!

sigh

 

[Empress]

I didn't mean to open up the floor to attacks or insults on Tracey/flaccon. I believe she is mentally unstable, and have offered support for this claim from passages she claims to have written on her website. She needs medical help to address a neurochemical imbalance, IMO.

But I don't mean to insinuate she's a bad person, an anti-semite or a cat-kicker. She says she owns cats and will not stop loving them just because some spirits told her to. That she questions the righteousness of her spirit voices is a good sign, I think, that she is skeptical herself of what she thinks she sees and hears.

I agree. After having waded through her woo-soaked site, I asked her at what age she began to have these visits from the spirits and otherworldly persona. She was willing to state that she was 31, IIRC. That's within normal onset age for a certain organic brain disorder in women.

I really wish that her family/friends would work to get her the help she needs. (Of course, they may have tried over and over without success, and indeed may still be trying; we have no way of knowing.) But if they're pretending to hear the spirits in her recordings rather than trying to get her to a qualified professional, I don't think they're helping her in the long run.

Sad situation.

 

[Alderbank]

I feel bad for flaccon because she is forced to live in an ignorant age where people no longer realize that house cats are actually satanic demons determined to infect the human race with cancer and moral disintegration. She longs for the days when people routinely kicked them on sight, but now that is somewhat frowned upon because we have turned away from the wisdom of the past. Back then our ancestors understood that torturing small felines was the key to battling Satan and preventing cancer!

flaccon has three delightful black cats. They are free to come and go and seem contented and well cared for. They sat on my lap purring while floccan demonstrated what she believes are spirit voices.

What evidence do you have that they are actually satanic demons or that flaccon longs for them to be kicked on sight?

 

[laca]

flaccon has three delightful black cats. They are free to come and go and seem contented and well cared for. They sat on my lap purring while floccan demonstrated what she believes are spirit voices.

What evidence do you have that they are actually satanic demons or that flaccon longs for them to be kicked on sight?

One of us needs a new sarcasm detector.

 

[trustbutverify]

The Cat is referred to in the spirit~world as a Devil's Reject. Satan uses cats, as another silent method to poison Man. Centuries ago we knew this information, we kicked cats on sight. The information wasn't lost over the Centuries either, it was purposefully burned from village to village. Much information fizzled out over time, or became the "Old wives tales" of today.

"We need to burn their orifice" Reg had said. Meaning Extinction of the Cat. As much as I adore my cats, and will continue to do so, I do believe that by returning the Cat species back into the wild, would benefit Mankind immensely, by decreasing the fight against cancer, amongst other unnecessary cat-related diseases.

I understand that much information in this book will be extremely difficult, if not impossible to digest. I have difficulties digesting their information myself, but I am willing to trust their information for as long as their intervention remains positive.

Excuse me flaccon, but are there any other little animals "Reg" recommends be driven to extinction for helping Satan poison humanity? Just curious.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Well it sure feels like an evidentiary hearing from where I am.


A clearer narrative as to how/when the call was received What the hell does that mean?


...if your daughter was certain it was flaccon? I have already answered that. No she wasn't. She called me and said 'Do you know someone called (flaccon's real name?)

Have you checked into it and are fairly certain that it was flaccon? No, your honour. I didn't take the call. I don't know how to carry out checks to ascertain that it was flaccon.

Foolmewunz, you don't know my daughter's age and I think your questioning is becoming inappropriate. Don't you see that these intrusive questions are pointless if flaccon says 'Sure, I called.'


How about thinking instead about the question I asked you?

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, jsfisher. That is a good description of how I experienced floccan

You're taking this much too seriously and personally, Alderbank. I have a four and a half year old and I've raised a now-grown daughter. I have no reason to question your daughter's or your veracity or sanity and I'm sure it went down as you described.

I misread your statement to read that you were going to dig deeper into it over dinner. I didn't expect you to have voice identification technology or to grill the child, but maybe that in discussing it something more would've come out as to an apparent motive or that something the caller said that may have sounded off-the-wall to your daughter had a more mundane explanation. That's all.

I don't think I need to offer an olive branch because I don't think this is an adversarial relationship. But I get a little testy on the topic of my kids, and if I upset you, for that I do apologize as it's not what was intended.

 

[Stray Cat]

Excuse me flaccon, but are there any other little animals "Reg" recommends be driven to extinction for helping Satan poison humanity? Just curious.

I'm not even sure that "We need to burn their orifice" means "Extinction of the Cat"...

... But the picture which that phrase does conjure up is somehow just as disturbing.

 

[Alderbank]

You're taking this much too seriously and personally, Alderbank. I have a four and a half year old and I've raised a now-grown daughter. I have no reason to question your daughter's or your veracity or sanity and I'm sure it went down as you described.

I misread your statement to read that you were going to dig deeper into it over dinner. I didn't expect you to have voice identification technology or to grill the child, but maybe that in discussing it something more would've come out as to an apparent motive or that something the caller said that may have sounded off-the-wall to your daughter had a more mundane explanation. That's all.

I don't think I need to offer an olive branch because I don't think this is an adversarial relationship. But I get a little testy on the topic of my kids, and if I upset you, for that I do apologize as it's not what was intended.

No apology needed Foolmewunz. I misread hostility in your words that wasn't there. That's the trouble with emails and texts.

 

[asydhouse]

I'm not even sure that "We need to burn their orifice" means "Extinction of the Cat"...

... But the picture which that phrase does conjure up is somehow just as disturbing.

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Yeah, the bizarre phraseology chosen by these "spirits" who are so keen to deliver a message of such great import for the future of humanity...

Since they were supposed to be speaking in clear complete sentences, it's a shame they didn't just say what they meant in plain English.

If I did believe in spirits, I sure wouldn't trust these ones!

(Hey flacon, you can see that it's like herding cats trying to control the unruly antics of free thinking skeptics! I tried to settle things down up thread a few posts, but... only you can do that now! By simply being real, and honest, with us from here on. I'm rooting for you!)

Good night, everyone.

Love and peace, a Syd

 

[Mojo]

I'm not even sure that "We need to burn their orifice" means "Extinction of the Cat"...

... But the picture which that phrase does conjure up is somehow just as disturbing.

I think what Reg actually meant was that we should feed them our leftover vindaloo.

 

[Stray Cat]

I think what Reg actually meant was that we should feed them our leftover vindaloo.

Not sure that Flaccon's father would have said that but maybe her Naan would.

 

[trustbutverify]

I'm not even sure that "We need to burn their orifice" means "Extinction of the Cat"...

... But the picture which that phrase does conjure up is somehow just as disturbing.

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Well, flaccon states that's what it means, so I guess it does.

I can only guess "burning their orifices" refers to destroying their genitals in some grotesque way. But who knows.

 

[Mojo]

Not sure that Flaccon's father would have said that but maybe her Naan would.

Touché.

But mostly "ouch".

 

[Foolmewunz]

No apology needed Foolmewunz. I misread hostility in your words that wasn't there. That's the trouble with emails and texts.

We're cool. Treading into another person's personal space can be creepy, sometimes. A lot of us in here know each other rather well, and we just assume that everyone knows I'm a saint. When I'm hostile, it's patently obvious.

 

[Apology]

I'm not a psychologist or a medical professional of any kind, Alderbank, but my mother is institutionalized and does have severe delusions. It's not unusual for her to go from nice to nasty at the drop of the hat, depending on the nature of her current delusion. I go from being the hero that saves her to the enemy that's thrown her to the wolves on almost a daily basis at this point.

Don't let it worry you too much, though. Unless flaccon knows where you live, the worst that will happen is you'll have to go through the expense and nuisance of changing your phone number. I don't know how it is where you are, but where I live, the phone company will give you one free number change based on a report of harassment, and after that, you're on your own. Cell phone companies may or may not have a similar practice.

I feel bad for asking, but is there still a chance that it was just a misunderstanding?