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[Alderbank]

The care and concern from people who scarcely know me is moving and I feel much less of a stranger here than I did 24 hours ago.

I'm embarrassed at my over-reaction and as far as I am concerned the incident is over and forgotten.

I know the strain that mental ill-health can place on families and I sympathise with you, Apology

 

[wardenclyffe]

I'm sorry Alderbank. I know you want this over and forgotten, but I'm unclear on one thing.

You say that you are "embarrassed at my over-reaction."

Does that mean over-reaction to the phone call or over-reaction to the forum members?

Really, none of this will be completely clear until flaccon explains what she was doing (and it probably still won't be clear even then).

Ward

 

[Alderbank]

I'm struggling a bit with words. I was angry and guilty that I had brought something into my family that I had not wished for. Having said that, if I could wind the clock back I would not have posted anything about it here.

 

[Orphia Nay]

From the page from flaccon's site posted earlier today:

Day 4; Every morning I'd wake and check to see if communication was still good. Schizophrenia and other associated disorders hadn't crossed my mind, but I was beginning to re-evaluate "Conventional medical wisdom" and it's rash diagnosis towards patients who "hear voices" "scribble down words" and express "paranoia" within their own experiences. I wasn't alone with my past experiences, they were witnessed by family members, and the situation was dealt with by a Catholic Bishop, and a Father Kenneth of Skelmersdale. I'd witnessed what the dark forces were capable of. I watched as it repeatedly destroyed my partner and interfered with my young teen daughter. It was six years of traumatic episodes before I had the sense to realise we needed Church protection. I knew without a doubt that this latest phenomena was far from delusional. If anything, I'd stepped out of the delusion a long time ago.

Flaccon, are these the same 6 years you said were the best time of your life?

 

[Orphia Nay]

I'm struggling a bit with words. I was angry and guilty that I had brought something into my family that I had not wished for. Having said that, if I could wind the clock back I would not have posted anything about it here.

My sympathies, Alderbank.

 

[PartSkeptic]

From the page from flaccon's site posted earlier today:

Day 4; Every morning I'd wake and check to see if communication was still good. Schizophrenia and other associated disorders hadn't crossed my mind, but I was beginning to re-evaluate "Conventional medical wisdom" and it's rash diagnosis towards patients who "hear voices" "scribble down words" and express "paranoia" within their own experiences. I wasn't alone with my past experiences, they were witnessed by family members, and the situation was dealt with by a Catholic Bishop, and a Father Kenneth of Skelmersdale. I'd witnessed what the dark forces were capable of. I watched as it repeatedly destroyed my partner and interfered with my young teen daughter. It was six years of traumatic episodes before I had the sense to realise we needed Church protection. I knew without a doubt that this latest phenomena was far from delusional. If anything, I'd stepped out of the delusion a long time ago.

Flaccon, are these the same 6 years you said were the best time of your life?

I have dealt with people who can be charming for a long time while they want something, and then explode in anger when they get frustrated.

I asked flaccon whether there was a possibility that the spirits she was dealing with were "dark forces". She did not reply. I ask again.

In my opinion, it does not matter whether Alderbank is mistaken or not as to intentions or actions, should or should not have posted, the critical issue is that it has happened, and it has caused upset and concern. It also happened when flaccon is not around to explain. This is typical of mischievous dark forces - for those that believe in them.

I accept that there are non-supernatural explanations for how people behave. But flaccon is the one claiming to believe in the supernatural. She claims to know, and have experienced "dark forces" that cause chaos in her life.

 

[AdMan]

I have dealt with people who can be charming for a long time while they want something, and then explode in anger when they get frustrated.

I asked flaccon whether there was a possibility that the spirits she was dealing with were "dark forces". She did not reply. I ask again.

In my opinion, it does not matter whether Alderbank is mistaken or not as to intentions or actions, should or should not have posted, the critical issue is that it has happened, and it has caused upset and concern. It also happened when flaccon is not around to explain. This is typical of mischievous dark forces - for those that believe in them.

I accept that there are non-supernatural explanations for how people behave. But flaccon is the one claiming to believe in the supernatural. She claims to know, and have experienced "dark forces" that cause chaos in her life.

Do you have a point?

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Please do not encourage Flaccon to believe that there are dark forces, whatever that even means. There is no reason for it. I’m sure there are plenty of threads about demons out there. This is hardly the time and place to start speculating on a paranormal explanation when normal ones are quite solid right now.

Pareidolia
Extremely imaginative interpretations

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

(snip) ...the critical issue is that it has happened, and it has caused upset and concern. It also happened when flaccon is not around to explain. This is typical of mischievous dark forces - for those that believe in them.

There are no dark forces that I know of
Let alone mischievous ones
You can't know what is "typical" of them

I call nonsense.

 

[trustbutverify]

From flaccon's website:

Dr C was good, and very direct. He explained what I'd be up against with "Conventional Medical Wisdom" (Box-tickers, paid not to believe) Skeptics, Non-believer's (no matter the evidence) I assured Dr C that I am willing to take my chances with people"of any belief, rather than take my chances again with dark forces.

It's difficult to know which is worse; the foul mouthed "dark forces" or the conventional medical practitioners, who are apparently paid "not to believe".

It seems the dark forces are so detestable that even skeptics and refuse-to-believers are preferable. Life seems so exciting and dangerous in the world of spirit communications. Much more so than in the lives of ordinary folk. It's seems almost like being the star in an thrilling Hollywood movie.

 

[Orphia Nay]

The doctor is a general practitioner, and cannot offer his professional help, so as I do not require further medical assistance, he wrote me a concerned letter, aimed towards the Bishop, who still refuses to assist me, and suggested that I "keep the ball rolling"

This isn't what flaccon says at her website:

"After the appointment, Dr C agreed I should "keep the ball rolling" and agreed to write me a letter "To whom it may concern.." explaining his take on the evidence."


Flaccon's website is proving enlightening, but not for the reasons she hopes.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I've caught her in another untruth.

It wouldn't take away the first six years of witnessing certain events, or relieve the external happenings, but one family member to tell me that is not our Fathers voice, and I would consider imagination. I could wish for nothing more than to think our Father is RIP.

If it is without doubt imagination, I would seriously have to think of getting my ears tested, and accept it for the fun-side of it.

From Spirits in the Blood, again:

Flaccon's sister Carolanne to flaccon: "How can I can help you when I don't believe you?"

Flaccon's sister Sherry to flaccon's daughter: "Your Mother has completely lost it, the voices were set-up along with the art work. Once she's handed over the Ashes, I want nothing more to do with her".


Flaccon, can't you see what this belief is doing to you?

It's turning you into a liar. Your left hand doesn't know what your right hand is doing. You are contradicting yourself in your attempts to prevent yourself admitting you've been delusional.

 

[pakeha]

...We’ve focused mainly on the EVP claims, but when the “spirits’ artwork” is examined, or even summarily looked at, it is quite obvious that there is a huge amount of overly imaginative interpretation of her perception of images.

I wish I could be more straightforward about my opinions in this case, but my sincerest hope is that a friend or family member will help her connect with people who can actually help her situation.

Whether or not she was hostile in the Alderbank phone call incident is almost irrelevant to me. Unless of course there were threats and a true risk of danger, I think a disturbing call from Flaccon to my own house would only strengthen my sympathy for her and her personal ordeal.

I am reminded that luck has played a huge part in the fact that I, or my loved ones, don’t have to go on living in a spooky demon-haunted world, the way she has to.

I have had encounters with those who 'live' in that spooky world. I join you in hoping Flaccon will find a way out of this labyrinth.

 

[Pixel42]

It's perfectly possible to get as mistakenly invested in belief in the supernatural as flaccon is without being mentally ill. All it takes is a predisposition to believe (easily acquired in early religious indoctrination), a good imagination and a lot of ignorance.

 

[Orphia Nay]

It's perfectly possible to get as mistakenly invested in belief in the supernatural as flaccon is without being mentally ill. All it takes is a predisposition to believe (easily acquired in early religious indoctrination), a good imagination and a lot of ignorance.

Agreed. "Delusional" is not a medical diagnosis. You can have delusions without being mentally ill.

Flaccon appears to be functional in her daily life, not overly disadvantaged by her beliefs.

However, thinking about this, and that I am not a psychiatrist, I would still recommend she got checked out professionally to be sure. There may still be things a psychiatrist could do to help without the need to label her any particular diagnosis.

 

[trustbutverify]

Flaccon's sister Sherry to flaccon's daughter: "Your Mother has completely lost it, the voices were set-up along with the art work. Once she's handed over the Ashes, I want nothing more to do with her".

Thank god there's at least one person in this family with their head screwed on right who isn't afraid to shoot straight. We need a few more Sherry's on JREF.

 

[Pixel42]

Thank god there's at least one person in this family with their head screwed on right who isn't afraid to shoot straight. We need a few more Sherry's on JREF.

Looks like flaccon's free way with apostophes is catching

I have to disagree with Sherry, I see no reason to think flaccon set anything up. She's just seeing and hearing patterns where none exist.

 

[Stray Cat]

I have to disagree with Sherry, I see no reason to think flaccon set anything up. She's just seeing and hearing patterns where none exist.

Though really you're disagreeing with flaccon's interpretation of her sister's words (which as we already know, do not necessarily reflect the intended meaning).

I would speculate that Sherry, knowing flaccon loved her father, thought that flaccon had set up a situation in her own head that resulted in her not having to face the thought that she'd never see or speak to her father again.
That would be the "set up" not necessarily setting up the voices or pictures as in a hoax.

 

[Cassidy]

Yes, there are several well known phrases that sum this concept up quite well;
"There's one born every minute" and "every village has one"

This weekend I concentrated on how to calibrate a second laptop. Mr Roberts emailed me through two silent recordings. I played the recording via my laptop. As I played this recording in Chester, it altered Mr Roberts recording in Nottingham (one single voice) I drove to Nottingham yesterday. Mr Roberts and I did several tests. Now whenever Mr Roberts records, he has just the one voice. I doubt I can deal with this site much more, but I do thank those who have genuine concern for my well-being, and for those who bit their lip, and thanks to those who shared their own experience. I am back to my GP this week with this update, and will continue to test.



(Alderbank) I hear you wrote a post out regarding a call I made? I made the call just before setting off. I have no idea why you would think anything I said was offensive. I asked for Mr Alderbank, and was told no Alderbank lived here. I said sorry I must have the wrong number. She offered me a mobile number an I refused to take it. I said I will contact him when I get back home. Alderbank, it is not in my nature to offend anyone anywhere. Please ask your daughter if I ws at all offensive, as it was a normal phone call. I wanted to share the news with you (I call it Eureka) of calibrating Mr Roberts laptop via the web. However, if you wish to inform the police for that phonecall, please do so, I said nothing wrong at all. Your daughter cannot be upset, I said nothing other than "no it's ok, I will get back to him"

 

[Donn]

I wonder what "calibrating a laptop" involves? Sounds like ensuring what you then seek.