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Hi Orangem and welcome to the forum. I was on the fence when I first saw John Edward, that was before I knew much about cold reading. I started posting on one of his fan sites. I noticed that anytime I had a skeptical question I my post would be moved to a restricted area. So I started posting the question over here. That is when I learned all the tricks of the phony psychic.

What I would suggest is you find a transcript of one of her readings and post it here. I expect that the reading will be dissected and analyzed, and all the tricks reviled.
 
Thanks SRW for the quick response. OK. I guess that's the best way to go about it. I'll try to find something. But if anyone has time to check out "Joanna's reading" on Youtube, I'd be interested to have feedback about that.
 
Thanks SRW for the quick response. OK. I guess that's the best way to go about it. I'll try to find something. But if anyone has time to check out "Joanna's reading" on Youtube, I'd be interested to have feedback about that.

Well it's edited so kind if hard to dissect but it's fairly general cold reading,highlight being at 4:38 "when Lisa mentioned the 4 red roses it was pretty impreessive"
Except Lisa didn't say that. She said "He's handing me a red rose,and linking it to the number 4. " My view is she was expecting a birthday or anniversary.
At 5:27 "He's talking about the photo next to your bed" Wow I'd be suprised if any widow didnt have a photo next to their bed. But if he can "say" these things why so many questions? At 6:30 "He's saying "Let it come and go" But doesnt elaborate! Only a minute earlier he was specific.
7:28 ish "Im getting a pain in the head" Repeated. This gets no response so she widens the area to the neck and jaw area.

The only semi impressive hit is the mention of him (spirit)interfering with photo frame and thus it needs re-framing.But in an edited reading it's not much.
 
Ok. I am about done with this forum. Here is what I wrote concerning the "Bad Psychics" article (and the reason I wrote it is because I watched that show and got a VERY different perspective. Regardless of whether Lisa Wiliams is true or flase, this episode was unfairly evaulated and transcripted):

Give me a freaking break! That's ALL you have to say about that show? You are nothing short of a coward and you ought to be ashamed of your tacticts. There was a lot more to that show than you wrote about. I don't know who is worse, the fakes you write about or you cowardly skeptics who MUST make anything fake for your insecurity or fear of losing control. Grow up! If you have the guts and want to email me, use reasonmusic@yahoo.com

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This is a pretty emotional response, I cannot really imagine why you have reacted this vehemently. Well that is of course until I read this next post by you . . .

Nothing. Absolutely nothing will ever convince any of you that any of this is real. This whole forum would collapse if it did. You are not here to discover truth, you are here to proclaim the truth you already KNOW to be.

Why do you guys mess with people who write on here because they are seeking something you already know by acting like you could be convinced? This will NEVER Happen. Why not just be honest and say "no matter what you say, I will always have an answer and that is, I am right... they are wrong. Always." Or, why not say, "Even if God Himself appeared to me and told me my deepest desires, it would be a cold reading."

Be careful who you think to be fools in this world, my friends.

It seems to me here that most of the skeptics here are questioning the information put forward by the claimant, and here we have you reacting emotional to that questioning.

I myself engage these kinds of conversations with as little emotional attachment to an outcome as possible, this way I can remain objective.

Its clear to me, you are anything but objective. Understand that to really seek truth is to be ready to change YOUR mind, something that requires objectivity. I would wager that your intent is not to find the truth, but to confirm your own beliefs, the very thing you accuse us skeptics of . . . . projection indeed.

I would be surprised, and delighted to have you engage in a conversation comparing the kinds of information Lisa puts forward with other individuals that use cold reading. A direct comparison and a line by line transcription is exactly what the skeptics want and exactly what is rarely forthcoming by the believers.

Objective means to analyze, not become emotional and claim the other side is being dishonest when they are the only ones that are engaging in that very analysis.
 
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Well it's edited so kind if hard to dissect but it's fairly general cold reading,highlight being at 4:38 "when Lisa mentioned the 4 red roses it was pretty impreessive"
Except Lisa didn't say that. She said "He's handing me a red rose,and linking it to the number 4. " My view is she was expecting a birthday or anniversary.
At 5:27 "He's talking about the photo next to your bed" Wow I'd be suprised if any widow didnt have a photo next to their bed. But if he can "say" these things why so many questions? At 6:30 "He's saying "Let it come and go" But doesnt elaborate! Only a minute earlier he was specific.
7:28 ish "Im getting a pain in the head" Repeated. This gets no response so she widens the area to the neck and jaw area.

The only semi impressive hit is the mention of him (spirit)interfering with photo frame and thus it needs re-framing.But in an edited reading it's not much.
True. It's pretty difficult to analyze anything that's been edited. And of course, we know that the editing is made to make her look... well... competent. And I work in the film and video post-production industry, so I know how much editing can change perceptions. But I was quite impressed with the mimicking of the husband: going down on her knees, saying she needed to look the sitter in the eyes... and the sitter said that was exactly how her husband used to talk to her... But of course, we don't know if the sitter had given a clue of this in a part that could have been edited out. (Sigh)

She just felt different to me. I guess a part of me would like this to be true. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that someone could toy with such pain and knowingly provide false comfort. I just don't get how they sleep at night and look at themselves in a mirror if all this is complete fabrication. I'm naive some of you will surely say... I prefer the word candid ;)

Anyhow, I'm not done with this. I'll try to find something better to analyze. Maybe I'll try to get a reading myself and record it! :)
 
I came across this forum a while back when I was searching for any rational reason why Lisa Williams could be a fraud or the real thing.

I've read through the forum and found that a majority of people who have done research on "Cold Readings" are considerably certain that's what is going on, yet many people say it could also be a "warm reading".

I've watched all of her episodes and they entertaining regardless, and for a while the show convinced me about this sort of "after life".

Does anyone, who have watched several episodes of the show (I've noticed only people mentioning the first episode) consider that she may have techniques out of the ordinary?

Here are all of the episodes so far:
mylifetime.com/on-tv/shows/lisa-williams/best-of-season/season-1/video




So in my Email this morning Lisa Willaims is now following your updates on Twitter.

Why does she need twitter? can't she just take her hat off and get signals from the sky?

Note: This is NOT the same Lisa Williams we are talking about.
 
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I came across this forum a while back when I was searching for any rational reason why Lisa Williams could be a fraud or the real thing.

I've read through the forum and found that a majority of people who have done research on "Cold Readings" are considerably certain that's what is going on, yet many people say it could also be a "warm reading".

I've watched all of her episodes and they entertaining regardless, and for a while the show convinced me about this sort of "after life".

Does anyone, who have watched several episodes of the show (I've noticed only people mentioning the first episode) consider that she may have techniques out of the ordinary?

Here are all of the episodes so far:
mylifetime.com/on-tv/shows/lisa-williams/best-of-season/season-1/video

I have watched ALL the episodes of season 1 and 2, and some readings of her new series (the ones that are on Youtube anyway). I have come to this thread exactly for the same reasons: she had started to convince me. But I've always been a skeptic about these things and this thread made me realize that I can't have a set opinion about her until... either I go to a reading myself and record it in its entirety and have it analyzed and/or she chooses to do JREF 1 million $ challenge. Can't base an opinion on anything that has been edited.
 
Hi everyone, I am a newbie but I wanted to say a couple of things.
Here in England when someone's obituary is printed there is rarely any mention of the family left behind except if they are famous/rich and if fact it's not that common to post obits if Lisa would not get much info from folk in England.
Saying that however I do not believe that Lisa in genuine I have seen the real thing and Lisa is far from that.
One medium I knew asked you to give a donation to a local hospice as she said her gift was God given and she was not to make money from it! I have known a few who did similar - they just wanted to give reassurance.
Ater my Dad passed over I left it three months or so and I went to see a medium (who did not charge) she said that I was married - I do not wear a ring - that my Dad was watching over me and that he had a message for me. My Dad said he was so very sorry for having mis-judged me and he knew the truth of what had happened and he wanted me to forgive my Mum. This came out of the blue. Not even my husband knew what had happened - it was between my Dad, my Mum and myself.
When I went to my Mum's I told her and at first she pretended not to know what I was talking about. Then she said 'well Dad must be telling me off because I have lost my wedding ring'. It was a long time before I felt complete forgiveness to my Mum as it had caused a distance between myself and my Dad but a few months later I felt a sense of peace and knew that I had forgiven my Mum. She phoned me later that night and said she had found her ring in the garden under some bushes!
The medium only knew my first name - I did not pay her - she lived in a different area from me.
There are genuine mediums out there but they do not shout their talent and they do not seek to make money for themselves.
People like Lisa make me sad because they take advantage of people grief.
 
Hi everyone, I am a newbie but I wanted to say a couple of things.
Paragraphs are useful......lol
Here in England when someone's obituary is printed there is rarely any mention of the family left behind except if they are famous/rich
not so, love, local papers have loads of 'em. It's down to the relatives, not fame or riches.

My mum wasn't rich or famous, she got an obit, cost a tenner in the local rag...
and if fact it's not that common to post obits if Lisa would not get much info from folk in England.
not sure that follows,, mediums on shows do try to get info, you need to do some learning.
Saying that however I do not believe that Lisa in genuine I have seen the real thing and Lisa is far from that.
Who?
that is the qustion on everyone's lips here probably.lol

One medium I knew asked you to give a donation to a local hospice as she said her gift was God given and she was not to make money from it! I have known a few who did similar - they just wanted to give reassurance.
so you pay up, and feel as if yougot "somethin for something" but the medium isnt responsible for being a fraud because she "didn't charge".
Nice get out.......and entirely underhanded and dishonest, you just weren't awake that day where you?
Are you ever?

Ater my Dad passed over I left it three months or so and I went to see a medium (who did not charge) she said that I was married - I do not wear a ring -
50% chance of being right is an easy guess.

that my Dad was watching over me


and she knew his name, NI Number, and inside leg measurement, yeah right.......obviously as you need a dad to get born (so far!) everyone has one....lolol
and that he had a message for me.
If he can speak to a complete stranger and nonrelative he doesn't know, how come you aren't on that list?
Mediums always seem to "have a message". And its always about something you could fit into almost any persons life history somewhere....oh dear , oh dear, .....
My Dad said he was so very sorry for having mis-judged me and he knew the truth of what had happened and he wanted me to forgive my Mum.
Um no he didn't, he isn't alive to do so. Dead is dead, there's no afterlife. The medium was using your (un evidence based) belief to gain an advantage over you because you turned up at the door.
Next time please think.
This came out of the blue. Not even my husband knew what had happened - it was between my Dad, my Mum and myself.
What came out of the blue?
A load of generalisations wheeled out parrot fashion to a gullible supportive audience.
You gave that "donation to the charity" directly I expect?
Or did the medium take it "on your behalf"
When I went to my Mum's I told her and at first she pretended not to know what I was talking about.
Thats your clue.......how come she had to rake around to make it fit retroactively.........think about that a lot.
Then she said 'well Dad must be telling me off because I have lost my wedding ring'.
so the medium didn't mention your mum losing the ring?

Um, why not? IF your dad was alive, surely he would not have your mum guessing what he meant, if was not alive, the medium gives you some generalisations, and you fit them in, and say to everyone how great she was, which boosts her trade.
In fact she told you nothing.
It was a long time before I felt complete forgiveness to my Mum as it had caused a distance between myself and my Dad but a few months later I felt a sense of peace and knew that I had forgiven my Mum.
what ? after your dad is dead?
how much distance do you want, and, how nearer is nearer? 200yds?

You say you've forgiven you mum
what for again? for losing a ring that she found again?
What has it got to do with you? Nothing.
So all the medium has done so far is caused a rift between your mum and you, over months, and over something that has nothing to do with what she told you.....
Fat City, gal. Of course you can't get a refund either lolol..

She phoned me later that night and said she had found her ring in the garden under some bushes!
So?
The medium only knew my first name - I did not pay her - she lived in a different area from me.
Nope
a/ she knows you have a dad (we all do)
b/ she knows you'll swallow her line, as you are paying , just not her with money, just time.
c/ she knows you'll retrofit it all in place, and if not, you won't be back. these mediums never record their failures.
There are genuine mediums out there but they do not shout their talent and they do not seek to make money for themselves.
Rubbish. You might look a little harder.

There are no real mediums out there, and most of 'em need money. Are you one?
People like Lisa make me sad because they take advantage of people grief.

And you let one take adavantage of your grief, are you sad for her too, or just feeling a little stupid.?
 
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Kathy, I don’t exactly see the same talent you do in the medium you saw. What she told you was extremely vague – it would be true for anybody since it’s so wide open to interpretation.

And that’s one of the main methods psychics/mediums use: They tell you things that sound personal and meaningful but are anything but.
 
Paragraphs are useful......lol

not so, love, local papers have loads of 'em. It's down to the relatives, not fame or riches.

My mum wasn't rich or famous, she got an obit, cost a tenner in the local rag...
not sure that follows,, mediums on shows do try to get info, you need to do some learning.

that is the qustion on everyone's lips here probably.lol


so you pay up, and feel as if yougot "somethin for something" but the medium isnt responsible for being a fraud because she "didn't charge".
Nice get out.......and entirely underhanded and dishonest, you just weren't awake that day where you?
Are you ever?


50% chance of being right is an easy guess.




and she knew his name, NI Number, and inside leg measurement, yeah right.......obviously as you need a dad to get born (so far!) everyone has one....lolol

If he can speak to a complete stranger and nonrelative he doesn't know, how come you aren't on that list?
Mediums always seem to "have a message". And its always about something you could fit into almost any persons life history somewhere....oh dear , oh dear, .....

Um no he didn't, he isn't alive to do so. Dead is dead, there's no afterlife. The medium was using your (un evidence based) belief to gain an advantage over you because you turned up at the door.
Next time please think.

What came out of the blue?
A load of generalisations wheeled out parrot fashion to a gullible supportive audience.
You gave that "donation to the charity" directly I expect?
Or did the medium take it "on your behalf"

Thats your clue.......how come she had to rake around to make it fit retroactively.........think about that a lot.

so the medium didn't mention your mum losing the ring?

Um, why not? IF your dad was alive, surely he would not have your mum guessing what he meant, if was not alive, the medium gives you some generalisations, and you fit them in, and say to everyone how great she was, which boosts her trade.
In fact she told you nothing.

what ? after your dad is dead?
how much distance do you want, and, how nearer is nearer? 200yds?

You say you've forgiven you mum
what for again? for losing a ring that she found again?
What has it got to do with you? Nothing.
So all the medium has done so far is caused a rift between your mum and you, over months, and over something that has nothing to do with what she told you.....
Fat City, gal. Of course you can't get a refund either lolol..

So?

Nope
a/ she knows you have a dad (we all do)
b/ she knows you'll swallow her line, as you are paying , just not her with money, just time.
c/ she knows you'll retrofit it all in place, and if not, you won't be back. these mediums never record their failures.

Rubbish. You might look a little harder.

There are no real mediums out there, and most of 'em need money. Are you one?


And you let one take adavantage of your grief, are you sad for her too, or just feeling a little stupid.?

Not only are you extremely rude but you waffle assuming you know everything.
I have lived in 3 different areas in London and 5 in England and it was unusual in all of those areas for people to do obits - possibly because everyone who needed to know already knew anyway.

The 'incident' my Dad was referring to concerned my Mum's wedding ring - now that is a bit of a stretch considering no-one oher than Dad, Mum and myself knew about it. She never mentioned the ring and not did I.
You are obviously a person who needs every single thing explained in great detail or you assume you knwo all the answers.

I was very close to my Dad but the lie my Mum told caused a coldness between us from then until he passed. Obviously he believed my Mum over me.

I did not give her any money - I sent a donation to St. Joseph's Hospice as she requested - I was asked to put in the note that I was ust donating to a good cause. I never saw her again as she was moving to Cornwall shortly!

I can understand your opposition to what I have said but your rudeness I cannot.
I am probably older than you and trust me, I will truly enjoy the look on your face when you realise that there is more than this and there is an afterlife.

I don't like people who assume they know everything and are rude so you will be pleased to know this is my last post on here.
 
Ater my Dad passed over I left it three months or so and I went to see a medium (who did not charge) she said that I was married - I do not wear a ring - that my Dad was watching over me and that he had a message for me.
So far so bland.If I say you are tall and your Grandma has a message for you ,does this make me a medium?
My Dad said he was so very sorry for having mis-judged me and he knew the truth of what had happened and he wanted me to forgive my Mum.
Even if you are quoting verbatim,memory is generally unreliable,that is vague would you not agree? No specific statement.Why didnt Dad say "You lost Mums ring its under bushes in garden"? Why do you think the game of charades?
This came out of the blue. Not even my husband knew what had happened - it was between my Dad.
Not even the medium knew,as she didn't say anything specific. Here are some other things it could have meant.

1. You had a baby ,Mum objected you fell out with parents.
2. You married someone your Mum didnt like this caused a family row,Mum threw you out of home.

What was this amazing medium's name( I get the feeling I know the answer coming):rolleyes:

ETA: I live in Yorkshire and Obits are in the local paper every week and always have been.
 
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And this is a fact because...

You know, it works both ways. If you can proove it, I think you deserve the 1M$ prize! :rolleyes:

Um , no it doesn't work both ways.

Mediums claim there's an afterlife, and there's no evidence for that.

Therefore there's no afterlife regarding the medium's claims.
 
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Not only are you extremely rude but you waffle assuming you know everything.
Thanks, I'm not rude, just direct.

thank you for the paragraphs, it makeswhatoyu kindly point out so much easier to read

Further more I know I know nothing, I'm asking you, not telling you.....

I have lived in 3 different areas in London and 5 in England and it was unusual in all of those areas for people to do obits - possibly because everyone who needed to know already knew anyway.
Sure, whatever....i'm a gyppo , I've lived in hundreds of place over my life, so what? it doesn't make me right......
The 'incident' my Dad was referring to concerned my Mum's wedding ring - now that is a bit of a stretch considering no-one oher than Dad, Mum and myself knew about it.
She never mentioned the ring and not did I.
and the medium did? Nope.
You are obviously a person who needs every single thing explained in great detail or you assume you knwo all the answers.
Nope, you just got taken for a ride and don't like some stranger pointing that fact out. not my problem, hun
however my delivery style does always need work, I'm mostly illiterate.
I was very close to my Dad but the lie my Mum told caused a coldness between us from then until he passed.
What lie? did the medium mention that lie? nope.

Obviously he believed my Mum over me.

Obviously?
when? after he died? well, he married your mum, not you, there's difference.
funny thing i don't entirely beleive you either, now theres two of us, me and your dad lol

I did not give her any money - I sent a donation to St. Joseph's Hospice as she requested - I was asked to put in the note that I was ust donating to a good cause.
a note to who? what for? you don't need a note to donate directly.
if you gave the cash to the medium, did you check the charity actually got the donation, bet you didn't if she took it..
I never saw her again as she was moving to Cornwall shortly!
Handy, take the money and run, baby run.
Ripped or what?
Did she actually move to cornwall? or was that to stop you coming back and saying "hey that sucked, give me a refund".
I can understand your opposition to what I have said but your rudeness I cannot.
I'm not being rude, just direct. yuo have however a choice, you could address my questions, and i'm not in "opposition". I just think you don't have a clue.
Do you?
You could change my mind you know.....
I am probably older than you and trust me, I will truly enjoy the look on your face when you realise that there is more than this and there is an afterlife.
I'm 52. how about you fancy pants?

If I ever "realise" there's an afterlife I'll be very happy to accept that if its factual.
Its not though is it? Evidence?
I don't like people who assume they know everything and are rude so you will be pleased to know this is my last post on here.
i won't be pleased your leaving, i need a laugh, haha
Thats right blame the horrid poster who got your goat, saw through your story, embaressed you a bit with some poignant questions, and now have a great excuse to leave..
How about showing some backbone and ethics and rising above it, and actually addressing the issues.?

Its only words. I'm not the best with words, and everyone here knows that.

how about you edumacating me eh? Oh wise and older person..............I'm up for some learning.

just that your words sound well, rather like the sound of gullibiity.

yuo got ripped babes, and she ran. I just can't laugh enough.....deary me.....
 
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Ummm...I'm going to have to call bull-doody on Kathy W's story. It took her "months" to forgive her mom for losing a ring? An innocent occurrence that could happen to anyone? Later you say that your mom told your dad a lie about the ring. What kind of lie? Did she say it was stolen? That she pawned it? The more I think about the stranger her story gets. Let's go back and look at it.

After my Dad passed over I left it three months or so [My edit: What does that first phrase mean?? "I left it three months..."] and I went to see a medium (who did not charge) she said that I was married - I do not wear a ring - that my Dad was watching over me and that he had a message for me. My Dad said he was so very sorry for having mis-judged me and he knew the truth of what had happened and he wanted me to forgive my Mum. This came out of the blue. Not even my husband knew what had happened - it was between my Dad, my Mum and myself.

When I went to my Mum's I told her and at first she pretended not to know what I was talking about. Then she said 'well Dad must be telling me off because I have lost my wedding ring'. [Is this what the rift between you and your dad was about? And how is your dad telling you he's sorry for misjudging you equal to him "telling off" your mom?] It was a long time before I felt complete forgiveness to my Mum [even though she accidentally lost her wedding ring, and you are married and don't wear yours by choice!] as it had caused a distance between myself and my Dad but a few months later I felt a sense of peace and knew that I had forgiven my Mum. She phoned me later that night and said she had found her ring in the garden under some bushes!

Perhaps I have misunderstood Kathy's story, but as told, it makes no sense to me.
 
Ummm...I'm going to have to call bull-doody on Kathy W's story. It took her "months" to forgive her mom for losing a ring? An innocent occurrence that could happen to anyone? Later you say that your mom told your dad a lie about the ring. What kind of lie? Did she say it was stolen? That she pawned it? The more I think about the stranger her story gets. Let's go back and look at it.



Perhaps I have misunderstood Kathy's story, but as told, it makes no sense to me.

Sounds senseless to me too, which is why I've ragged it a bit, well perhaps more than a bit!.

someones telling porkiepies to try and convince those "evil sceptics", well we weren't all born that wet behind the ears, Kathy.
Obviously the more personal insults I don't consider worth replying to, just would like a straight story.

Kathyw when you've stopped slagging me off, please answer the questions I've asked after all if you're so old and wise it should be easy shouldn't it?

love and light
 
Um , no it doesn't work both ways.

Mediums claim there's an afterlife, and there's no evidence for that.

Therefore there's no afterlife regarding the medium's claims.

What I mean is skepticism should work both ways:

mediums claim a certain type of afterlife, Buddists claim a certain type of afterlife, some claim reincarnation, some _________ (fill in the blank), and some claim there's absolutely nothing. NO ONE is able to proove ANY of these claims, hence, we have no clue.
 
And this is a fact because...

You know, it works both ways. If you can proove it, I think you deserve the 1M$ prize! :rolleyes:
Sorry, you can't prove a negative. The claim here would be that an afterlife exists. Of course, because of this, I wouldn't say that the non-existence of an afterlife is a fact, I would just say it is very, very, likely.
 

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