Let's ask again: What was the MOTIVE for WTC7?

[lapman]

They announced that it had collapsed. 23 minutes later it collapsed. That's an amazingly accurate mistake.

Yeah. If it had been 22 minutes before the collapse, it would have been a mistake.

 

[MIKILLINI]

JHarrow...What is it that keeps you from acknowledging all the solid evidence shown to you? Why do you ignore it?

Bump for JHarrow.

 

[HyJinX]

So stop talki ng about sock puppets then.

Ummmm...you brought it up with Par.

 

[chillzero]

Please get this thread back on topic, and keep it there. The topic is motives for bringing down WTC7, for those who need a reminder.
As has been mentioned before, suspicions of sock-puppets should not be discussed in threads, but should be reported to the mods for investigation.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[RedIbis]

At the time of its destruction, Building 7 housed documents relating to numerous SEC investigations. The files for approximately three to four thousand cases were destroyed, according to the Los Angeles Times. Among the destroyed documents were ones that may have demonstrated the relationship between Citigroup and the WorldCom bankruptcy. 2
SEC & EEOC: Attack Delays Investigations, National Law Journal, 9/17/01 [cached]
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.html

 

[MIKILLINI]

You don't find it slightly odd the BBC predicted it's collapse 23 minutes before it happened?

If they reported it 13, 14, or 15 hours before collapse I might think it a bit odd. Not 23 minutes.

 

[DGM]

At the time of its destruction, Building 7 housed documents relating to numerous SEC investigations. The files for approximately three to four thousand cases were destroyed, according to the Los Angeles Times. Among the destroyed documents were ones that may have demonstrated the relationship between Citigroup and the WorldCom bankruptcy. 2
SEC & EEOC: Attack Delays Investigations, National Law Journal, 9/17/01 [cached]
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.html

How did these investigations end up suffering. Did the plan not work?

 

[funk de fino]

At the time of its destruction, Building 7 housed documents relating to numerous SEC investigations. The files for approximately three to four thousand cases were destroyed, according to the Los Angeles Times. Among the destroyed documents were ones that may have demonstrated the relationship between Citigroup and the WorldCom bankruptcy. 2
SEC & EEOC: Attack Delays Investigations, National Law Journal, 9/17/01 [cached]
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.html

Truther sites?

Wheres the original source?

 

[JHarrow]

Truther sites?

Wheres the original source?

The link is at the site.

Heres the cached version

SEC & EEOC:
Attack Delays Investigations


By Margaret Cronin Fisk
National Law Journal
September 17, 2001

Additional details emerged Friday about the effect of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center on investigations being conducted by the New York offices of the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, both of which were housed in the building.

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom.

The EEOC said documents from about 45 active cases were missing and could not be easily retrieved from any backup system. One of these cases was a sexual harassment charge filed on Sept. 10 against Morgan Stanley, one of the prime corporate victims of the World Trade Center disaster.

A statement from the commission said that "we are confident that we will not lose any significant investigation or case as a result of the loss of our building in New York. No one whom we have sued or whose conduct we have been investigating should doubt our resolve to continue our pursuit of justice in every such matters."

But the short-term problems will be immense, said Gregory Joseph of New York's Law Offices of Gregory Joseph.

"Court papers can largely be reconstituted, but work product has to be reconstructed," he said. "This will cause delays in court and will require significant reduplication of effort." Some data, he added, "won't be recreatable."

"Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."

"The SEC will have some difficulty, but the bounce-back will come relatively easily," predicts Harvey Goldschmid, Dwight professor of law at Columbia University and former general counsel of the SEC. "It will throw things off for a period of time, but most of what's important can be regained. They will have to reconstruct these documents. But most of this was backed up or in Washington. They've lost some transcripts but even they're available."

EEOC Records Destroyed

The EEOC's New York office, which was housed in 7 World Trade Center, sustained no loss of life. But all the agency's records were destroyed.

Many of the files are backed up in the computer system, but a substantial number of documents are simply gone, said Spencer Lewis, the EEOC district director. Depositions and notes were not scanned into computers and are lost. With depositions and interviews, the agency will be contacting court reporters "and hoping that they've got them so we can reconstruct files," Lewis said. This covers about 45 active cases, including a recent action against Morgan Stanley.

But employment litigators believe the effect here, too, will be transitory.

"The EEOC is decimated as far as office space goes," but any problems are "only short-term," said Michael Weber of the New York office of Littler Mendelson. "They will get back to business." The agencies will be seeking documents from the private law firms and defendants, Weber notes. "My sense is that we will cooperate," he noted. "Our goal is not to take advantage of this catastrophe."

"A lot of their records they'll have online, so they'll just reprint them out," adds Harkins. "The EEOC is in a better position than the SEC, because the SEC has a lot more confidential files."

 

[SDC]

And with regard to the SEC investigations as motivations: what form were these files in? Paper? Were they unique records, or were there copies? (Were these themselves copies?) It would be singularly foolish on the part of Evildoing bankers (you allude to Citigroup) to assume that by blowing up the Salomon Bros building they could thwart the investigations. That may happen in tv and movies. Not in the real world.

ETA: that article from 17 Sept 2001 (!?) which was just presented refers more than once to the fact that investigations will not be seriously crippled. Read the thing! Words like "short-term," "transitory," and "bounce-back" are used.

Well, the old motto of Citi around here was "The Citi Never Sleeps" -- and the wisecrack in response was, "that explains their lousy service."

 

[Firestone]

Well, Citigroup apparently claimed that they lost some information in the collapse:

But Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.

Source

Anyway, it wasn't a brilliant plan after all:

Citigroup Reaches Settlement on WorldCom Class Action Litigation for $1.64 Billion After-Tax

Company to Take After Tax Charge of $4.95 Billion, or $0.95 Per Share, in Second Quarter 2004 for WorldCom Settlement and Increase in Litigation Reserves

Source

 

[funk de fino]

I guess there has been a bit of cherry picking going on again eh?

The SEC will have some difficulty, but the bounce-back will come relatively easily," predicts Harvey Goldschmid, Dwight professor of law at Columbia University and former general counsel of the SEC. "It will throw things off for a period of time, but most of what's important can be regained. They will have to reconstruct these documents. But most of this was backed up or in Washington. They've lost some transcripts but even they're available."

good god people, get with the program, stop debunking yourselves

 

[tsig]

Well Red, a fire on every floor would have done the job, no need to go crazy and destroy the building too.
Unless the building itself was evidence that it was..well a building with to many intel offices and the NWO wanted a different location.

The building itself was the NWO code to rule the world. So it had to go before...if we rule the world where is my cut?

 

[1337m4n]

At the time of its destruction, Building 7 housed documents relating to numerous SEC investigations. The files for approximately three to four thousand cases were destroyed, according to the Los Angeles Times. Among the destroyed documents were ones that may have demonstrated the relationship between Citigroup and the WorldCom bankruptcy. 2
SEC & EEOC: Attack Delays Investigations, National Law Journal, 9/17/01 [cached]
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.html

Paper shredder, magnet, degausser, File >> Delete, sledgehammmer, etc.

 

[1337m4n]

You don't find it slightly odd the BBC predicted it's collapse 23 minutes before it happened?

I'm tired of doing all your work for you. This time, YOU tell US why the BBC allegedly predicted its collapse. Do YOU have an explanation?

 

[Garb]

How PDoherty of you.

I thought it was Stundie who always said that.

And no JHarrow, I wasn't trying to nominate it. No apologies necessary.

 

[funk de fino]

JHarrow

Once again Post # 146

Why do you refuse to address the rebuttal to your arguments?

 

[lapman]

TESTIMONY OF HARVEY L. PITT, CHAIRMAN U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION CONCERNING THE STATE OF THE NATION’S FINANCIAL MARKETS IN THE WAKE OF RECENT TERRORIST ATTACKS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL SERVICES UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES September 26, 2001

"Within two days of the attack, we had retrieved all documents stored electronically and had commenced a review of every single investigation and case currently underway in the office with the twin aims of ensuring that we do not miss any imminent deadlines and of developing a plan for completing our investigations and cases in timely fashion. While our review has not been completed, we are optimistic that we will not lose any significant investigation or case as a result of the loss of our building."

"There also will not be any serious long-term impact on the Commission’s oversight of securities firms located in the New York area. The Commission’s records related to examinations of all securities firms are maintained electronically in a central database, and were unaffected by the tragedy. Electronic copies of examination reports and deficiency letters are maintained off-site for investment advisers, investment companies, broker-dealers and transfer agents. Records relating to open examinations will be reconstructed from records that exist at registrants’ offices and from other sources." http://www.sec.gov/news/testimony/092601tshlp.htm

So, how did that impede the investigations significantly?

 

[JHarrow]

Paper shredder, magnet, degausser, File >> Delete, sledgehammmer, etc.

Don't you think shredding 3000 files for no apparent reason would draw some attention? Better to have them conveniently destroyed in the attacks.

 

[MIKILLINI]

The building itself was the NWO code to rule the world. So it had to go before...if we rule the world where is my cut?

The details are still being worked out..no use speculating at this point.