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Lafayette Park Update

That's a pretty bold claim. Do you have any actual evidence to support it or is this more truther nonsense?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/politics/trump-walk-lafayette-square.html

It was that Ivanka girl's idea. Probably the Kushner boy had a hand in it too. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from those two nits who grew into lice. We need not be further detained by any notion the police cleared the square for any reason other than Trump wanted his little photo op.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/politics/trump-walk-lafayette-square.html

It was that Ivanka girl's idea. Probably the Kushner boy had a hand in it too. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from those two nits who grew into lice. We need not be further detained by any notion the police cleared the square for any reason other than Trump wanted his little photo op.

"How Trump's idea for a photo op led to havoc in a park" is the headline, I can't read the rest because it's behind a pay wall.

But it's easy enough to debunk the New York Times ******** headline.
The evidence we obtained did not support a finding that the USPP cleared the park to allow the President to survey the damage and walk to St. John’s Church. Instead, the evidence we reviewed showed that the USPP cleared the park to allow the contractor to safely install the antiscale fencing in response to destruction of property and injury to officers occurring on May 30 and 31. Further, the evidence showed that the USPP did not know about the President’s potential movement until mid- to late afternoon on June 1 hours after it had begun developing its operational plan and the fencing contractor had arrived in the park.


Could I ask a favor of you? Since I can't read the article, can you copy and paste the part where the New York Times has issued a correction for their false headline?
 
The Authoritarian lovers in this thread need to realize this CYA “report” is by no means anywhere near the respectability of the NIST 9/11 report.


You should give it your own truthy title. May I suggest 'The 6/1 Lafayette Park Omission Report', it has a familiar ring.
 
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It may have been incorrect, but you cannot deny that REPUBLICANS also came to the same conclusion from seeing the same thing. Let's see you twist that to fit your narrative. You can't with any honesty but I'm sure you'll try. But what else is new?
I was wrong. There are stupid Republicans also.

Yes, you were wrong that

Originally Posted by Bogative
The lying media and Democrats used the situation to lie, lie, lie about what happened for political gain and the usual suspects swallowed it hook line and sinker, but what else is new?

I'm glad you can admit that the media and Democrats didn't " lie, lie, lie about what happened". But you really have no choice because if they were lying, then you'd have to concede all those Republicans were also lying, lying, lying about what happened.

But yes, you are correct about one thing: there are stupid Republicans. They can be found at Trump rallies and on the floor of Congress.
 
Funny how the side that not only engages in essentially all of the political violence in the country, but also constantly blathers on & on about how much more violence is needed and how happy they are to be so much better at violence than the pitifully non-violent opposition, suddenly flips around & insists "Us, violent? No, not us, never!" in just a few specific cases...
 
"How Trump's idea for a photo op led to havoc in a park" is the headline, I can't read the rest because it's behind a pay wall.

But it's easy enough to debunk the New York Times ******** headline.


Could I ask a favor of you? Since I can't read the article, can you copy and paste the part where the New York Times has issued a correction for their false headline?

Why would the New York Times correct the truth? What you cite came from a Trump appointee which carries the presumption of dishonesty.
 
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The DoD IG conducted an investigation and released a report less than three weeks ago. It didn't receive much attention from the media because the blame could not be placed on Trump.

I'm sure the typical handwaving, blame shifting and TDS used to dismiss the report will reach the same levels of hilarity as used to diismiss and ignore the DOI IG report.

I know what news station you get your info from so you might have missed it :rolleyes:, but this was reported by CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC etc quite extensively.

"I'm sure the typical handwaving, blame shifting..." You mean like the GOP Congress members and Trump supporters who handwaved away and blame shifted what happened on Jan. 6? Mo Brooks, Sarah Palin, and Matt Gaetz suggested it was probably Antifa that were the rioters and not Trump supporters. Here a few of those GOP Congress members who are guilty of this nonsense:


Rep. Andrew Clyde of Georgia: “Watching the TV footage of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes, taking videos and pictures. You know, if you didn’t know the TV footage was a video from January the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.” He also said "“Let’s be honest with the American people — it was not an insurrection, and we cannot call it that and be truthful."

Rep. Jody Hice of Georgia: “It was Trump supporters who lost their lives that day, not Trump supporters who were taking the lives of others." She claimed Dems were "cherry-picking" Trump's words on 1/6. I guess she forgot that many rioters said they were there because Trump asked them to come to "Stop the Steal."

Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona: "The DoJ is harassing peaceful patriots across the country" (referring to the investigation of 1/6 rioters). "Who executed Ashli Babbitt? (He made sure to first mention that Babbitt was unarmed, wrapped in an American flag, a veteran, and then "referred to her death as a homicide.") He also tried to downplay it because no guns had been confiscated in spite of the fact that many insurrectionists came armed with knives, sprays of various sorts, baseball bats, etc. " He claimed that "outright propaganda and lies are being used to unleash the national security state against law abiding U.S. citizens, especially Trump voters.”

Ron Johnson of Wisconsin: "They're concentrating on a false narrative. And that false narrative was that there were thousands of armed insurrections (sic). There weren't, But I condemned the breach. I condemned the violence." And "“By and large, it was a peaceful protest, except for there were a number of people, basically agitators that whipped the crowd and breached the Capitol. That's really the truth of what's happening here.”

Ralph Norman of S. Carolina: “I don't know who did a poll to say that they were Trump supporters." (Maybe the Trump flags, MAGA hats, and the rioters own statements confused Mr. Norman.)

Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia: “One person accused faces seven years in prison for walking through the open doors of the Capitol, taking photos in the hallway, and leaving without doing any harm.”

Louis Gohmert of Texas: (The DOJ is) “ criminalizing political protest — but only political protest by Republicans or conservatives.” “...there’s no evidence ... that this was an armed insurrection.”

But the few sane and honorable Republicans that remain in Congress know better. Like Liz Cheney and Peter Meijer who said:

“Unfortunately, many who rightly criticized and condemned the attack that day have walked back their words or softened their speech. But even more troubling, there has been an active effort to whitewash and rewrite the shameful events of that day to avoid accountability and turn away from difficult truths.”
 
Why would the New York Times correct the truth? What you cite came from a Trump appointee which carries the presumption of dishonesty.


Was he dishonest when he worked for the Obama administration from 2009 until 2017?
 
He was confirmed in 2019 by unanimous voice vote by the Senate.

Why would the New York Times correct the truth? What you cite came from a Trump appointee which carries the presumption of dishonesty.

You really need to drop this as you are barking up the wrong tree. He was unanimously confirmed by the Senate which, by definition, included all the Democrats. They had no objection to him which clearly indicates he is no Trump sycophant. As the song so repeatedly says: Let it go, let it go....
 
You really need to drop this as you are barking up the wrong tree. He was unanimously confirmed by the Senate which, by definition, included all the Democrats. They had no objection to him which clearly indicates he is no Trump sycophant. As the song so repeatedly says: Let it go, let it go....

If he's so honest, why did he come to such an obvious, factually incorrect conclusion?
 
Inspector General of the Interior Department isn’t exactly a controversial position. Unanimous approval means very little here.
 
(And it was by voice, so "unanimous" just means nobody was heard voting against, not that everybody voted for.)
 
The DoD IG conducted an investigation and released a report less than three weeks ago. It didn't receive much attention from the media because the blame could not be placed on Trump.

I'm sure the typical handwaving, blame shifting and TDS used to dismiss the report will reach the same levels of hilarity as used to diismiss and ignore the DOI IG report.
Do you even read your own references??

4) [redacted] followed direction from BG Ryan's chain of command, including President Trump and Secretary Esper, as relayed through Army Secretary McCarthy, to "flood the zone" with all available assets.[i.e. fly all these National Guard helicopters as ordered]
 
Do you even read your own references??

Nice try(not really, it's rather pathetic).

Trump, Esper and McCarthy ordered the DCNG to flood the zone with all available assets. Trump did not specifically order helicopters to perform a show of force at extremely low levels directly over a crowd, those decisions were made at a much lower level in the chain of command.

It's like trying to blame George H.W. Bush for Apache pilots destroying two US armored vehicles in Desert Storm after he told the military to expel Saddam Hussein from Kuwait with all available assets.
 
That analogy works to exactly the same extent that it is rational & justified for a President to equate his country's citizens with an enemy country's army.
 
If he's so honest, why did he come to such an obvious, factually incorrect conclusion?

Inspector General of the Interior Department isn’t exactly a controversial position. Unanimous approval means very little here.

(And it was by voice, so "unanimous" just means nobody was heard voting against, not that everybody voted for.)

My goodness, the need to make this about IG Greenblatt being dishonest is something else. Greenblatt has served in the US government since 2003, apparently without scandal, and under both Republican and Democrat presidents.

Over the course of his Federal career, he has received several awards, including a CIGIE award for excellence*, U.S. Department of Commerce gold medal** and bronze medals***, and a U.S. Department of Justice OIG distinguished service award****.
*2017
**2016
*** 2015, 2017
**** 2019

You may disagree with his report, but to attack a man who has served his country with distinction and honor for 18 years as being dishonest is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Especially when you have no proof of his 'dishonesty' except to disagree with his report.
 
Legal Eagle put out a very short (part of his shorts series) about this. Suffice to say it is no Trump vindication. It only covers one set of law enforcement while ignoring the actions of the a Secret Service and the Prisons officers.

https://youtu.be/AeZ1inTSzOs
 

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