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Lafayette Park Update

Bogative said:
Sounds like something a 9/11 truther would say.

You should print out some T-shirts with "Lafayette Park was an inside job." I recommend white on black, it really stands out. Let me know if you need help with an off cadence chant for your protests.
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All I'm looking for is an American to vouch for the work of the Trump supporter. Everyone knows Trump supporters can't be trusted and don't value the the same things as real Americans. If what the IG said is true, I'm sure an American will support it.
 
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Bogative said:
Sounds like something a 9/11 truther would say.

You should print out some T-shirts with "Lafayette Park was an inside job." I recommend white on black, it really stands out. Let me know if you need help with an off cadence chant for your protests.
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He could order it from the same company that made up the " Barack HUSSEIN Obama Was Born in Kenya" and "Stop the Steal" T-shirts. Or maybe the company that printed up the "It'll Be Gone by Easter!" ones.
 
Norman Alexander said:
So you can't/won't explain why it doesn't square with all the timed video at all. Including from many independent international media organisations who had no dog in the fight. Plus all the official sources at the time, including Barr who ordered the attack, which contradicted this report.

So in summary, it is a massive steaming heap of ****** excuses, just like the 911-twoofer crap, and you are wanting to promote it.

You sure you want to die on that hill?
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I'm going to need a source for the highlighted part.

What you are claiming is contradicted by the report. Here's what the person who was in charge of the operation said about a 2:00 p.m. meeting with Atty. Gen. Barr in attendance at the FBI headquarters.
When asked, the USPP operations commander told us the USPP's plan to clear Lafayette Park
was underway before the 2 p.m. meeting. He stated that the Attorney General did not address him during this meeting and that the Attorney General did not mention a potential presidential visit to the park. The USPP operations commander said that after the meeting, he briefed the USPP acting chief of police and then went to Lafayette Park to meet the USPP incident commander.
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Craig4 said:
Okay, so he needs an American to vouch for his work.
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I mean...they could try.

But we know that the cops

moved a few minutes after Bill Barr showed up and took a look at the protest,

Used tear gas,

Beat protestors, reporters, and likely people just walking around

Orange Badman & Goons appeared minutes after this was done, walked over to the church they had teargassed the front of, and took the silly photo,

The day after Orange Badman felt humiliated by reports he went to the WH bunker due to events outside (remember the "I wuz inspecting it!" excuse?). But none of this was meant to show that he's big and tuff. Nope, it was for some fencing.

The "fencing" thing is plainly a lie, and a stupid one at that - they would just do that during curfew and block the area off to begin with, that's *much* easier than clubbing members of the press, and with far fewer repercussions. It's the sort of thing he would have immediately called a lie, if he hadn't been banned from all social media, just because he wanted everyone to know that he had the cops beat those thugs down like every city should have.
 
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Mumbles said:
I mean...they could try.

But we know that the cops

moved a few minutes after Bill Barr showed up and took a look at the protest,

Used tear gas,

Beat protestors, reporters, and likely people just walking around

Orange Badman & Goons appeared minutes after this was done, walked over to the church they had teargassed the front of, and took the silly photo,

The day after Orange Badman felt humiliated by reports he went to the WH bunker due to events outside (remember the "I wuz inspecting it!" excuse?). But none of this was meant to show that he's big and tuff. Nope, it was for some fencing.

The "fencing" thing is plainly a lie, and a stupid one at that - they would just do that during curfew and block the area off to begin with, that's *much* easier than clubbing members of the press, and with far fewer repercussions. It's the sort of thing he would have immediately called a lie, if he hadn't been banned from all social media, just because he wanted everyone to know that he had the cops beat those thugs down like every city should have.
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Yeah, the IG report doesn't change the observable fact that the police cleared the square so Trump could have a photo op.
 
Norman Alexander said:
That Barr ordered the action?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-...rs-cleared-park-trump-visit/story?id=71026258
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You claimed that Barr ordered the "attack."

Your link says Barr personally ordered the expansion of the security perimeter around Lafayette Park just before Trump's visit.

Two separate actions.

According to the report, the decision to expand the perimeter was made on the night of May 30 after protesters breached the already existing buffer zone around Lafayette Park. It was the evening of June 1 before the contractor could deliver the fence on site. That's when law enforcement started removing the crowd, or attack, as you would put it.


All your links says is that a senior official from DOJ and the White House confirmed Barr ordered the perimeter expansion. No names, no quotes and most importantly no specific time for "just before."

When do you think "just before" was, and how did you determine that time? Or, did you just take an ambiguous statement and try to shoehorn it into your preconceived belief?
 
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Craig4 said:
Yeah, the IG report doesn't change the observable fact that the police cleared the square so Trump could have a photo op.
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9/11 truthers say the NIST report doesn't change the observable fact that explosives brought down the World Trade Center.

Lafayette Park was an inside job.

Lafayette Park was an inside job.

Lafayette Park was an inside job.
 
Segnosaur said:
That excessive force was used is not in doubt (at least for most people).

For many people, the question is how much did Trump's photo-op contribute to the situation. Trump supporters will try to claim "It wasn't Trump's fault... it was because of the fence".

Perhaps if Trump wasn't going to make is little photo-op, park police might have been able to give more warnings.
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Heck, if this was a planned construction project, they would have actually put up signs ahead of time. I mean, if our town has something planned to go on down town, the police put up signs that say "No Parking June 12 - 13 by Order of the Police." They don't just wait until then and start towing cars away.

Of course, the idea of using tear gas to clear a crowd to install new fencing is complete lunacy.
 
pgwenthold said:
Of course, the idea of using tear gas to clear a crowd to install new fencing is complete lunacy.
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On the contrary, it's going to make my home maintenance plan a lot more fun! Imagine the possibilities!

"The lawn needs mowing, deploy the LRAD!"
 
Segnosaur said:
Personally I would go for napalm for my gardening needs.

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I was thinking more along the lines of getting those darn kids off my lawn, but if you're up for napalming them, well, enjoy!
 
pgwenthold said:
Heck, if this was a planned construction project, they would have actually put up signs ahead of time. I mean, if our town has something planned to go on down town, the police put up signs that say "No Parking June 12 - 13 by Order of the Police." They don't just wait until then and start towing cars away.
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What construction project are you talking about? Do you mean a contractor coming in and erecting fence?

There was no construction project. The USPP decided on the evening of May 30, after not-peaceful protesters breached the existing perimeter fence, to expand the perimeter with temporary, antiscale fencing. The contractor arrived in the late afternoon of June 1 to install the fence, that's when law enforcement started removing the crowds.



Of course, the idea of using tear gas to clear a crowd to install new fencing is complete lunacy.
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It's complete lunacy to believe this is what happened. The DC Metropolitan Police Department used tear gas after they were violently attacked by not-peaceful protesters.
 
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Whether Trump or Barr ordered the clearing of the park or not, it was a terrible decision to march over there immediately afterward for a stupid photo-op stunt. It shows Trump's usual bad judgment and pathological need for attention once again. And what the hell was holding up a Bible about? It was just plain stupid. As usual.
 
I honestly don't even know what to say anymore. "This official investigation by the Department of the Interior doesn't support my belief, therefore it muse be WRONG" is just not an argument I would expect to see on a site devoted to skepticism.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I honestly don't even know what to say anymore. "This official investigation by the Department of the Interior doesn't support my belief, therefore it muse be WRONG" is just not an argument I would expect to see on a site devoted to skepticism.
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That's quite a misrepresentation of the issue. It's not about mysideism.

You don't clear a peaceful protest in a park 30 minutes before curfew in order to put a fence up days later. I'm not sure why the news media isn't pointing this glaring contradiction out but I'm giving them time to catch up.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I honestly don't even know what to say anymore. "This official investigation by the Department of the Interior doesn't support my belief, therefore it muse be WRONG" is just not an argument I would expect to see on a site devoted to skepticism.
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That's because the actual argument is "The IG's report runs counter to video, court filings, and and news and protestor reports, and the IG failed to so much as interview officials involved, therefore it is wrong."


Kinda like how police reports will say "The suspect refused to comply with my clear and calm orders when given time, and pointed a gun at me and shouted 'It's curtains for you copper!", and then the video shows the "suspect" looking at his cell phone, the cop screaming "FREEZEPUTITDOWNGETONTHEGROUNDGETONTHEGROUND!!!", and the "suspect" looking up and the cop immediately firing wildly. You kinda reject the police report then.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I honestly don't even know what to say anymore. "This official investigation by the Department of the Interior doesn't support my belief, therefore it muse be WRONG" is just not an argument I would expect to see on a site devoted to skepticism.
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Wow, misrepresent the argument much?
 
Mumbles said:
That's because the actual argument is "The IG's report, who was put into his position by the same guy that is subject to the investigation, runs counter to video, court filings, and and news and protestor reports, and the IG failed to so much as interview officials involved, therefore it is wrong."
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FIFY.

No to mention that, as has been pointed out before, even if you assume that there is some truth to the report (i.e. that the park was going to be cleared out to erect some fencing), it still doesn't exonerate the Trump administration, as it points out that Barr "accelerated" the process, and the fact that there were yet more law enforcement agencies involved probably contributed to the communications issues.
 
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