Lafayette Park Update

[Bogative]

You don't clear a peaceful protest in a park 30 minutes before curfew in order to put a fence up days later.

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After the area was cleared by approximately 6:50 p.m., video obtained by the USPP showed that two semitrucks loaded with fencing materials entered the White House grounds to prepare to install the fence. The contractor began to unload the fencing materials and build the fence at approximately 7:30 p.m. USPP patrol officers and the DCNG held the secured intersections until the contractor completed installing the fence at approximately 12:30 a.m. on June 2.

I'm not sure what time and calendar system you use, but with the one used by the rest of the world 5 hours does not equate to days.

 

[Bogative]

FIFY.

That is exactly what 9/11 truthers say about the DoD IG investigation into NORAD's response.

No to mention that, as has been pointed out before, even if you assume that there is some truth to the report (i.e. that the park was going to be cleared out to erect some fencing), it still doesn't exonerate the Trump administration, as it points out that Barr "accelerated" the process, and the fact that there were yet more law enforcement agencies involved probably contributed to the communications issues.

Truth speak

As to the bolded part

Both the USPP acting chief of police and the USPP incident commander stated they were not told a specific time for the President's potential arrival and that learning this information did not change their operational timeline. The USPP acting chief of police said, "I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that the Secret Service and the Park Police timeline did not change the entire day."

 

[Segnosaur]

You don't clear a peaceful protest in a park 30 minutes before curfew in order to put a fence up days later.

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After the area was cleared by approximately 6:50 p.m., video obtained by the USPP showed that two semitrucks loaded with fencing materials entered the White House grounds to prepare to install the fence. The contractor began to unload the fencing materials and build the fence at approximately 7:30 p.m.

I'm not sure what time and calendar system you use, but with the one used by the rest of the world 5 hours does not equate to days.

Last time I checked, the curfew for Lafayette park was 7 p.m.

Unless I mis-understand how time works, 6:50 p.m. is actually before 7 p.m. (That is how time works, isn't it?)

You seem to be fixated on the whole 'took days to put up the fence', but you are completely ignoring the whole 'started to cleared people out long before curfew'.

Since actual unloading and building the fence didn't start until well after 7 (and your very own link suggests the fence was completed before the following morning), they could have easily waited until after the curfew (when people would have known they were their illegally) before launching the teargas, and still gotten the fence competed before protests would have resumed the following morning.

But then Stubby McBonespurs wouldn't have had the chance to waddle across the street and hold his bible upside down.

 

[Bogative]

Last time I checked, the curfew for Lafayette park was 7 p.m.

Unless I mis-understand how time works, 6:50 p.m. is actually before 7 p.m. (That is how time works, isn't it?)

You seem to be fixated on the whole 'took days to put up the fence', but you are completely ignoring the whole 'started to cleared people out long before curfew'.

I'm not fixated on it at all, Skeptic Ginger said it at least twice, I corrected her.

Since actual unloading and building the fence didn't start until well after 7 (and your very own link suggests the fence was completed before the following morning), they could have easily waited until after the curfew (when people would have known they were their illegally) before launching the teargas, and still gotten the fence competed before protests would have resumed the following morning.

This was addressed in the report that you are apparently ignoring.

The USPP incident commander told us he did not consider waiting until the citywide 7 p.m. curfew to clear Lafayette Park and H Street. He explained, “We were not enforcing the Mayor’s curfew. We’re a Federal entity. We don’t work directly for the Mayor.” The USPP acting chief of police stated it was the USPP’s priority to install the antiscale fence as soon as possible to ensure the safety of Federal officers and property. The USPP acting chief of police and the USPP incident commander both explained that, based on their observations, the protesters did not comply with the Mayor’s curfew order on
May 31 and that acts of violence tended to increase in the late afternoon and evening irrespective of the curfew; they likewise did not believe protesters would comply with the Mayor’s June 1 curfew order or that waiting would necessarily reduce unrest. The Mayor issued an 11 p.m. curfew for May 31, 2020.

As for the teargas, that's been addressed in this thread as well. You'll have to ask the black mayor of DC why she unleashed her "Gestapo" on the not-peaceful protesters.

But then Stubby McBonespurs wouldn't have had the chance to waddle across the street and hold his bible upside down.

Easy now, your TDS is showing. That would explain your lack of grasp on basic facts.

 

[Stacyhs]

After the violent dispersing of the protesters at the park, it was horrible judgment to stage a narcissistic "look at me holding a Bible for some unexplained reason" photo-op...because that is all it was...immediately afterward. Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can recognize that.

 

[Bogative]

After the violent dispersing of the protesters at the park, it was horrible judgment to stage a narcissistic "look at me holding a Bible for some unexplained reason" photo-op...because that is all it was...immediately afterward. Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can recognize that.

No doubt about it, he took advantage of the situation for what I thought was a complete cringeworthy photo op. There's a huge difference between taking advantage of the situation and "oh my guuuurd, der Orange Hitler storm troopers Gestapo police state dictator 1111!!111!!1!" that it was portrayed as.

 

[Stacyhs]

No doubt about it, he took advantage of the situation for what I thought was a complete cringeworthy photo op. There's a huge difference between taking advantage of the situation and "oh my guuuurd, der Orange Hitler storm troopers Gestapo police state dictator 1111!!111!!1!" that it was portrayed as.

"Taking advantage of the situation" is a nice way of saying he showed deplorable judgment and put his own selfish, personal agenda before anything else. What else is new?

 

[gabeygoat]

Why do so many “small government” conservatives endorse and defend government violence against citizens?

 

[Bogative]

"Taking advantage of the situation" is a nice way of saying he showed deplorable judgment and put his own selfish, personal agenda before anything else. What else is new?

The lying media and Democrats used the situation to lie, lie, lie about what happened for political gain and the usual suspects swallowed it hook line and sinker, but what else is new?

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
"Taking advantage of the situation" is a nice way of saying he showed deplorable judgment and put his own selfish, personal agenda before anything else. What else is new?

The lying media and Democrats used the situation to lie, lie, lie about what happened for political gain and the usual suspects swallowed it hook line and sinker, but what else is new?

The media reported what they and WE saw which was a logical conclusion: the Park protesters being violently ejected from the park including a gas of some sort and protesters saying they couldn't breathe and their eyes stung. Then Trump immediately marching in with his entourage for a photo-op. There was no "lie, lie, lie" as that was the logical conclusion derived from what was shown in live time and on video by almost everyone including Republicans:

Senate Republicans offered rare criticism of President Donald Trump on Tuesday after protesters outside the White House were cleared out with tear gas the day before so the president could pose for photos in front of a historic church.
"It was painful to watch peaceful protesters be subjected to tear gas in order for the president to go across the street to a church that I believe he’s attended only once," said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). "I thought that the president came across as unsympathetic and as insensitive to the rights of people to peaceful protest."
There is a fundamental — a constitutional — right to protest, and I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop,” added Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.), who also decried rioting and looting. “Every public servant in America should be lowering the temperature.”
And Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) said it was “definitely not” right for peaceful protesters, who were gathered around Lafayette Park in front of the White House, to be sprayed with tear gas. And he criticized the president for walking to St. John’s Episcopal Church right before the 7 p.m. curfew, because “everyone knew there were going to be protesters in that area.”
Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, the only black Republican senator, was even more direct, saying at a POLITICO event that “if your question is: Should you use tear gas to clear a path so the president can go have a photo-op? The answer is no.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...ump-ousting-protesters-church-photo-op-296521

So don't give me this crap about the Dems "lying" unless you also want to accuse these Republicans of also "lying" about what they concluded from watching what happened. Trump was STUPID to do what he did. But he couldn't help himself because he's a sociopathic narcissist who demands attention at every conceivable opportunity. But what else is new?

 

[Mumbles]

Why do so many “small government” conservatives endorse and defend government violence against citizens?

It's because they're lying. THey mean small government for *them* and people like them. Black, gay, trans, muslim, etc. deserve and need violent and sometimes murderous state oppression or they'll rise up and destroy the mighty, superior white man.

(but y'all knew that)

 

[Craig4]

9/11 truthers say the NIST report doesn't change the observable fact that explosives brought down the World Trade Center.

Lafayette Park was an inside job.

Lafayette Park was an inside job.

Lafayette Park was an inside job.

Where are the Americans saying that? All I see is from Trumptrash and their kind aren't as good as real Americans.

 

[Craig4]

The lying media and Democrats used the situation to lie, lie, lie about what happened for political gain and the usual suspects swallowed it hook line and sinker, but what else is new?

But what you're saying is based on the belieavavility of Trumptrash. They are an unintelligent, unhygienic, class of person.What you're asserting is based on the word of a lesser class of person that no American should take seriously. Let's face it. Trumptrash, or Trump supporters are can't bet trusted. Where are the Americans making these claims. You can't point to any real Americans who share your concerns can you?

 

[Bogative]

The media reported what they and WE saw which was a logical conclusion:

A false conclusion. But what else is new?

 

[Stacyhs]

A false conclusion. But what else is new?

It may have been incorrect, but you cannot deny that REPUBLICANS also came to the same conclusion from seeing the same thing. Let's see you twist that to fit your narrative. You can't with any honesty but I'm sure you'll try. But what else is new?

 

[Norman Alexander]

A false conclusion. But what else is new?

What is not new is your continued pushing of the revisionist MAGA line of bull-**** on this. Clearly now you are just trying to yank some chains, not come with any evidence to support the argument.

Until you can adequately explain away the independent video of the Park Police (PARK police!) in full riot gear with shields and batons launching into foreign journalists with severe violence to clear the area for a Donny walkabout then you have no leg to stand on.

Meanwhile, you can crap on all you like about this report and what it says. But in light of all the extant evidence, it is very clearly a stinking pile of highly selective and totally twisted horse-**** masquerading as pathetic and transparent excuses. And you have bought into it. Look up-thread for the YT link.

Unless, of course, you really do think that orchestrated and president-initiated police violence is actually is the neatest, correct way for a police force to politely ask bystanders to move on so they can build a temporary security fence.

 

[kookbreaker]

The Authoritarian lovers in this thread need to realize this CYA “report” is by no means anywhere near the respectability of the NIST 9/11 report.

 

[Bogative]

Unless, of course, you really do think that orchestrated and president-initiated police violence is actually is the neatest, correct way for a police force to politely ask bystanders to move on so they can build a temporary security fence.

That's a pretty bold claim. Do you have any actual evidence to support it or is this more truther nonsense?

 

[Bogative]

It may have been incorrect, but you cannot deny that REPUBLICANS also came to the same conclusion from seeing the same thing. Let's see you twist that to fit your narrative. You can't with any honesty but I'm sure you'll try. But what else is new?

I was wrong. There are stupid Republicans also.

 

[Craig4]

There are stupid Republicans also.

The last president and his supporters being chief among them.