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Lafayette Park Update

Since it's obvious that the "but DRUMPF111!!11!!1!!1!1" knuckleheads can't be bothered to read the actual report and choose to continue with their "orange man bad" conspiracy nonsense, I'll post some of the relevant quotes from the report.


Not peaceful protesters.
In the early evening of June 1, acts of violence directed toward law enforcement increased as the crowd size grew, as they had May 29 through 31. According to USPP radio logs, intelligence reports, photographs, and videos, protesters breached the bike-rack fencing and entered the secured area, climbed on top of the burned-out comfort station, and threw projectiles like rocks, water bottles, and eggs at law enforcement officers (see Figures 6 and 7). Because of the increased unrest and intelligence reports the USPP received of armed individuals in the crowd including reports of people wearing ballistic vests and carrying baseball bats- the USPP incident commander told us that he and the Secret Service UD WHB deputy chief decided to clear Lafayette Park and the surrounding areas by deploying USPP and ACPD officers trained in advanced civil disturbance tactics.
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No federal agency used "gas", they were forbidden to. The DC Metropolitan Police Department was the only agency to use CS gas on protesters, they were not coordinating with USSS for USPP, and only used gas after being attacked by violent protesters.
The MPD, however, was not a participant in or under the control of the USPP and the Secret Service’s unified command. The MPD assistant chief of police later confirmed that the MPD used CS gas on 17th Street and told us that it did so in response to protesters who engaged in acts of violence against MPD officers after the USPP cleared Lafayette Park and began pushing protesters toward 17th.
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"Drumpf and his Gestapo practically murdered peaceful protesters for a photo op" has been and always will be a big ole steaming pile of conspiracy dog ****.
Furthermore, the USPP acting chief of police and the USPP incident commander both stated they never learned an exact time for the President’s potential movement and were unaware that he planned to give a speech in the Rose Garden that evening. Numerous witnesses, including the DCNG major and the MPD assistant chief of police, also told us it was their understanding that the USPP cleared the park to allow the contractor to build and install the antiscale fence. No one we interviewed stated that the USPP cleared the park because of a potential visit by the President or that the USPP altered the timeline to accommodate the President’s movement.
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"Orange Man Bad"....oh, goodie...we're back to that phrase again. :rolleyes:

Even if the park wasn't cleared FOR Trump, his idiotic photo-op walk to the park and standing in front of the church holding up a Bible immediately after the forced removal of protesters was typical of his bad judgment. The man is a fool.
 
You can (and I have) watch uninterrupted, multiple viewpoint synchronized footage of the entire event and the leadup to it with maps and arrows and the whole nine yards. Yeah a couple people hucked things. It’s still pretty much how the protestors said it was, nitpicks (it wasn’t gas canisters, it was smoke canisters! It wasn’t x type of crowd control projectile, it was y! etc) aside. Most notably their announcements were both unclear and unintelligible to most people present despite the crowd being pretty quiet at that point.
 
Lithrael said:
You can (and I have) watch uninterrupted, multiple viewpoint synchronized footage of the entire event and the leadup to it with maps and arrows and the whole nine yards. Yeah a couple people hucked things. It’s still pretty much how the protestors said it was, nitpicks (it wasn’t gas canisters, it was smoke canisters! It wasn’t x type of crowd control projectile, it was y! etc) aside. Most notably their announcements were both unclear and unintelligible to most people present despite the crowd being pretty quiet at that point.
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Also, there's this:

An attorney for DC Police said in court, for the first time, that the department did indeed use tear gas on protesters around Lafayette Square Park last June. Protesters and the ACLU are suing federal police, and MPD, over their use of tear gas.

MPD has consistently said that it was “not involved” in what happened at Lafayette Square Park on June 1, 2020 when protesters were forcefully cleared minutes before former President Donald Trump walked to St. John’s Episcopal Church.
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Sorry, "but my department didn't use tear gas" won't cut it when the guy from some other department standing next to you did, and then you ran around beating people.

ETA: I never bother reading bogaive’s racist crap, but I’ll assume he brought up the “orange man bad” thing. If so, it’s likely the only correct thing he wrote, since the orange man actually is bad.
 
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Bogative said:
Since it's obvious that the "but DRUMPF111!!11!!1!!1!1" knuckleheads can't be bothered to read the actual report and choose to continue with their "orange man bad" conspiracy nonsense, I'll post some of the relevant quotes from the report.


Not peaceful protesters.



No federal agency used "gas", they were forbidden to. The DC Metropolitan Police Department was the only agency to use CS gas on protesters, they were not coordinating with USSS for USPP, and only used gas after being attacked by violent protesters.


"Drumpf and his Gestapo practically murdered peaceful protesters for a photo op" has been and always will be a big ole steaming pile of conspiracy dog ****.
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How does any of their horse **** square with actual timed video of the situation?
 
Bogative said:
Read the report, truther.
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So you can't/won't explain why it doesn't square with all the timed video at all. Including from many independent international media organisations who had no dog in the fight. Plus all the official sources at the time, including Barr who ordered the attack, which contradicted this report.

So in summary, it is a massive steaming heap of ****** excuses, just like the 911-twoofer crap, and you are wanting to promote it.

You sure you want to die on that hill?
 
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Lets take a look at some of the findings of the report that "exonerates" the Trump administration...

From: NBC News
...that Attorney General William Barr urged officials to speed up the clearing process once Trump had decided to walk through the area that evening....The report adds that the law enforcement agencies at the scene did not coordinate well, and that the U.S. Secret Service began advancing on protesters before the Park Police had a chance to warn them to disperse.

So even if you accept the premise that the park was going to be cleared anyways for construction purposes, that doesn't mean that the Trump's photo-op didn't have a negative impact on events of that day, by forcing a change in timing, and/or requiring different tactics to be used than might otherwise be used.
 
Segnosaur said:
Lets take a look at some of the findings of the report that "exonerates" the Trump administration...

From: NBC News
...that Attorney General William Barr urged officials to speed up the clearing process once Trump had decided to walk through the area that evening....The report adds that the law enforcement agencies at the scene did not coordinate well, and that the U.S. Secret Service began advancing on protesters before the Park Police had a chance to warn them to disperse.

So even if you accept the premise that the park was going to be cleared anyways for construction purposes, that doesn't mean that the Trump's photo-op didn't have a negative impact on events of that day, by forcing a change in timing, and/or requiring different tactics to be used than might otherwise be used.
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The video I linked above shows Park Police totally excessive thuggery (un-warned and unwarranted shield and baton strikes) against bystanders, in this case, Australian journalists. This graphically contradicts the narrative that the Park Police were issuing warnings or trying to de-escalate the situation at any time. Quite the contrary.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The video I linked above shows Park Police totally excessive thuggery (un-warned and unwarranted shield and baton strikes) against bystanders, in this case, Australian journalists. This graphically contradicts the narrative that the Park Police were issuing warnings or trying to de-escalate the situation at any time. Quite the contrary.
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That excessive force was used is not in doubt (at least for most people).

For many people, the question is how much did Trump's photo-op contribute to the situation. Trump supporters will try to claim "It wasn't Trump's fault... it was because of the fence".

Perhaps if Trump wasn't going to make is little photo-op, park police might have been able to give more warnings. Maybe there would have been more effort to de-escalate the situation. But the journey of Stubby McBonespurs might have put pressure on the Park Police to "speed things up", and eschew any attempts at de-escalation.
 
Segnosaur said:
That excessive force was used is not in doubt (at least for most people).

For many people, the question is how much did Trump's photo-op contribute to the situation. Trump supporters will try to claim "It wasn't Trump's fault... it was because of the fence".

Perhaps if Trump wasn't going to make is little photo-op, park police might have been able to give more warnings. Maybe there would have been more effort to de-escalate the situation. But the journey of Stubby McBonespurs might have put pressure on the Park Police to "speed things up", and eschew any attempts at de-escalation.
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:thumbsup:
 
Bogative said:
Read the report, truther.
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I don't need to. I watched it all live. The report is no substitute for what I watched. Besides, we don't know the political affiliation of the author. It could be from a Trump supporter which means it needs validation from Americans.
 
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Craig4 said:
I don't need to. I watched it all live. The report is no substitute for what I watched. Besides, we don't know the political affiliation of the author. It could be from a Trump supporter which means it needs validation from Americans.
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:confused:

The author of the report is Inspector General of the Interior Department, Mark Lee Greenblatt
 
Craig4 said:
I don't need to. I watched it all live. The report is no substitute for what I watched. Besides, we don't know the political affiliation of the author. It could be from a Trump supporter which means it needs validation from Americans.
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Sounds like something a 9/11 truther would say.

You should print out some T-shirts with "Lafayette Park was an inside job." I recommend white on black, it really stands out. Let me know if you need help with an off cadence chant for your protests.



ETA: I recall 9/11 truthers dismissing the 9/11 report because of who was on the commission. Something about the lackeys of the perpetrators could not be trusted to investigate the perpetrators.
 
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