Kent Hovind gets 10 years

drkitten said:
Depends on your jurisdiction; in some areas, they are.

And, to be honest, I don't see why it matters. In most of the United States, schools are funded not by income tax, but by property tax. Why is not paying the income tax that you are legally obliged to pay acceptable while not paying property tax unacceptable?
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Yes, but you have to make sure not to use schools and roads built with state or federal grants, or operated with such.
 
Dustin said:
I find it amusing in such situations like these where people like Hovind are being punished for something completely unrelated to the reason why most of the people who posted in this thread dislike him are absolutely ravenous and aggressive and happy to see him put away. Most of you people are self professed 'skeptics' and 'critical thinkers' but you jump at the first chance to go for the throat when a man whom you disagree with is being punished for something totally unrelated to your disagreement.

Kent Hovind may be a delusional, gullible and overall uncritical person but I don't consider him to be a "bad person", he believes what he says. I disagree with most of what he says but I try to never hold a personal grudge against someone for having an opinion. He is being punished for tax fraud and that in no way has anything to do with my disagreements with him.
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So fraud and screwing your employies over does not make you a bad person?

The reason people enjoy this is it shows everyone who can look at him with anything other than worship that he is a lieing scumbag.
 
Marmaduke said:
So much for the acquittal that he was praying for. Apparently god was too busy to grant it.
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Well if you watched that very cool AFC championship game between the Colts and Patriots you would have known that Jesus was way too busy making sure the Colts won.

-z
 
Dustin said:
I doubt Hovind realizes anything he did was against the law or ever meant to commit a crime. Even with his conversation to his own wife he said he didn't know what he was going to jail for. So what you're blaming him for is not "Dishonesty" to anyone (other than maybe himself) but not agreeing with what you agree with.
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Of course he knew it was against the law, or he would not have gone to the lengths to hide what he was doing.
 
Hydrogen Cyanide said:
Oh, my poor aching head... I checked on his blog, http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=103#comment-979 ... his son is begging for more money.

The comments are just too sad... and I only know of one that is dissenting because it is quoted. Obviously "heykent" was deleted.
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He's looking for that "It's a Wonderful Life" ending....
"Every time a bell rings..." an inmate gets his salad tossed.
Good luck with that Kent.

-z
 
Dustin said:
Jeff Dahmer may be a delusional, gullible and overall uncritical person but I don't consider him to be a "bad person", he believes what he says. I disagree with most of what he says but I try to never hold a personal grudge against someone for having an opinion. He is being punished for eating people and that in no way has anything to do with my disagreements with him.

I know that if some random person were being prosecuted for eating people we wouldn't see any of the dirty comments we've seen about Dahmer directed toward them. I laugh at the sheer hypocrisy of many of the people who posted such comments as they 'hoped Dahmer is raped in prison' or "he deserves to spend 250 years in prison' etc. I believe that most of the malicious remarks toward Dahmer in this thread are from people who couldn't care less about his eating people, They're just happy to have him shut up and not preaching anymore.
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Just because someone honestly thinks what they're doing is good doesn't make it so.
 
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Cuddles said:
Of course he knew it was against the law. Why do you think he tried all the get-arounds like structured withdrawals? If he didn't know he was breaking the law then the last 10 years should have taught him otherwise, yet he still claims he doesn't know he was doing anything wrong. He is a liar and a fraud, and this is why most of us don't like him, whether he is lying about creationism or lying about his money.
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Well put.

If he thought what he was doing was right how did he break the structuring laws 45 times? You have know about the $10,000 reporting law in order to withdrawal under it for the purpose of evading the reporting requirement.
 
Dustin said:
You hate him because he holds an opinion different from yours and you celebrate his being imprisoned because you disagree with him not because of his crime.
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Well, you are certainly never going to win any psychic challenge!

I do not hate him... I actually find his megalomania kind of amusing.

You also have to work on your reading comprehension. I remember writing about his criminal tax evasion, not his belief in fairy tales like dinosaurs existing at the same time as humans.

Yes, he deserves to go to jail for being a crook, thief, and liar, not for believing in fairy tales.
 
Dustin said:
I doubt Hovind realizes anything he did was against the law or ever meant to commit a crime. Even with his conversation to his own wife he said he didn't know what he was going to jail for. So what you're blaming him for is not "Dishonesty" to anyone (other than maybe himself) but not agreeing with what you agree with.
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Before you post any more about the case read the indictment:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_of_America_v_Kent_Hovind_and_Jo_Hovind

12 jurors, independent citizens, found him guilty for 58 counts beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
Questioninggeller said:
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_of_America_v_Kent_Hovind_and_Jo_Hovind

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From that:
d. Making threats of harm to those investigating him and to those who may consider cooperating with their investigation;
e. Filing a false complaint against investigating IRS agents with the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration;
f. Filing a criminal complaint against investigating IRS special agents falsely alleging, among other things, false arrest, false imprisonment, excessive use of force, and theft or property;
g. Destroying records; and,
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(my bolding)

:jaw-dropp

So what "good" Christian makes threats of bodily harm?

And if he didn't know what he was doing was illegal, why was he destroying records?
 
Hydrogen Cyanide said:
From that:

(my bolding)

:jaw-dropp

So what "good" Christian makes threats of bodily harm?

And if he didn't know what he was doing was illegal, why was he destroying records?
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Also I thought Dustin might be interested to find out:

United States of America v Kent Hovind and Jo Hovind said:
... responsible for collecting and paying over federal income tax and FICA tax for CSE, and who, during the quarters of the tax years specified below, did willfully fail to deduct, collect, truthfully account for and pay over to the IRS federal income tax and FICA tax...
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...knowingly and for the purpose of evading reporting requirements of Section 5313(a) of Title 31, United States Code, and the regulations promulgated thereunder, structured, assisted in structuring, and caused to be structured the following transactions...
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...did corruptly endeavor to obstruct and impede the due administration of the internal revenue laws by acts which include the following...
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_of_America_v_Kent_Hovind_and_Jo_Hovind

The words used to describe Kent Hovind's actions: "Willfully", "corruptly", "knowingly", "evade", "false complaint", "obstruct", "threat", "fail to... truthfully" and so on.

I don't think anyone can argue "Hovind didn't know". And remember it is 2007 this started in 1997
 
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Here's my favorite part of the story:

"He claimed that as a minister of God everything he owns belonged to God and he is not subject to paying taxes to the United States on the money he received for doing God's work."

I've heard of stretching one's argument, but this is a doozy!
 
Liken said:
Let me get this straight: by your reasoning because Hovind told his WIFE that he doesn't know why he's being prosecuted, he's most likely telling the TRUTH? 'Cus, you know, nobody lies to their spouse, especially in times of crisis. HA HA HA HA! You just made my day.

Nope, there's no way we can exclude his claim of tax ignorance from the long list of things Hovind has KNOWINGLY lied about and, until this point, gotten away with.

I don't see any problem debating sentencing (10 years sounds about right to me, however) but if as soon as you start thinking to yourself "hey, maybe this guy really is just ignorant about tax laws," then you might as well start believing that he's really just ignorant about AIDS, cancer treatments, dinosaurs in the bible, phony doctorates and so on. Yeah, he must be the dumbest guy on earth.

I think so many people here are feeling a deep sense of shadenfreude now because nobody likes a liar regardless of the lie. Also, and I say this to some of you [Texas?] folk out there: hoarding hundreds of thousands of dollars that belong to the American people is NOT a "petty" crime.
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I believe he's very sincere in what he says.
 
Hydrogen Cyanide said:
Well, you are certainly never going to win any psychic challenge!

I do not hate him... I actually find his megalomania kind of amusing.

You also have to work on your reading comprehension. I remember writing about his criminal tax evasion, not his belief in fairy tales like dinosaurs existing at the same time as humans.

Yes, he deserves to go to jail for being a crook, thief, and liar, not for believing in fairy tales.
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How many cases of Tax evasion have you posted in this forum before? Is this the only one? I wonder why that is.

If it were actually his tax evasion that caused you to post then why just Kent Hovind? Why not any other random Tax evader? Obviously his beliefs and media status played a role otherwise you would not of posted it.
 
dustin:

If you read the indictment as you said you did, and if you agree that he is guilty as you failed to disagree with above, you would know that in order to be gulity he had to knowlingly commit the crime. Pertinent sections follow, bolded for emphasis.

did willfully fail to deduct, collect, truthfully account for and pay over to the IRS federal income tax and FICA tax from the total taxable wages of CSE employees
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knowingly and for the purpose of evading reporting requirements of Section 5313(a) of Title 31, United States Code, and the regulations promulgated thereunder, structured, assisted in structuring, and caused to be structured the following transactions, each transaction being a cash withdrawal from AmSouth Bank, a domestic federally-insured financial institution:
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did corruptly endeavor to obstruct and impede the due administration of the internal revenue laws by acts which include the following:
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