Kent Hovind gets 10 years

ponderingturtle said:
What is the difference between Theistic Evolution and Inteligent Design? Other than the one does not try to hide its theistic basis?
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For one thing, most TEs think ID is not science and bad theology just like non-theistic evolution supporters do. I've seen them go after Behe, Wells, Dembski, etc. with just as much vehemence as you or I would.

The positions they take are all over the map so I can't give you a single X vs. Y comparison, but generally TEs accept scientific observations about evolution as being correct and understand the limits of the scientific method regarding it's ability to deal with the supernatural.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
For one thing, most TEs think ID is not science and bad theology just like non-theistic evolution supporters do. I've seen them go after Behe, Wells, Dembski, etc. with just as much vehemence as you or I would.

The positions they take are all over the map so I can't give you a single X vs. Y comparison, but generally TEs accept scientific observations about evolution as being correct and understand the limits of the scientific method regarding it's ability to deal with the supernatural.
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So you are useing it as a term for theistic individuals who accept evolution?
 
ponderingturtle said:
So you are useing it as a term for theistic individuals who accept evolution?
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I'm not the only one. Talk Origins has a continuum from Flat Earthers to Theistic Evolutionists decribing how religious people react to the Creation and Evolution debate. I'm not sure when it was coined or by whom (probably a Wikipedia entry will tell), but it's a common term in the on-line debate of the issue.
 
I don't know if I'm a "Theistic Evolutionist", but, for what it's worth, I am spiritual (yes, I believe in the big Invisible Thingie). I think that the world works the way it works because the Invisible Thingie made it to work that way. So I have no problems with science at all, because it is simply a thorough, objective means to study this marvellous universe that the Invisible Thingie made, and that understanding it as thoroughly as possible is important and a proper and fitting use for our ability to reason, to learn, to think, etc.

I have no scientific rational to believe in the Invisible Thingie. Can't prove that It exists, nope. I have certain irrational reasons for believing in It -- various things that have happened to me that I just feel indicate to me that the Invisible Thingie is there. Those things are all things that could easily be coincidence or simply internal imaginings. I am perfectly willing to accept that they could be -- I just don't feel that they are. I wish I could explain it better, but I can't.

So I don't know if that makes me a Theistic Evolutionist. But I do agree with every point that Questioninggeller has made: I am a spiritual person, but I think it has pretty well been established that Hovind uses religion to make money, and also happens to think he's above the law ("God's Motorcycle", etc.). He is not a holy man in any way I'd define it; in fact, I think he's pretty evil, and I'm glad he's in jail. It would be nice if he would consider his life and decide to play a more positive role in the world's development, but given some of the messages that have been quoted here as having been sent from jail, I think that's unlikely. So it's a pity he only got 10 years, and it's a pity he has a son ready to follow in his footsteps.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
I was taking ~enigma~ to task for chastizing people about the content of this thread when he wasn't the OPer. See my post above. My comments weren't actually directed at you. Sorry for the confusion.
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I could just repeat your post word for word since I don't see mod underneath your name nor are you the OP...but I won't :)
 
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