He sure seems bipolar to me (but IANAP) and I'd guess if he is, he could be in a manic phase now, what with this publicity and the release of a new album. A lot of artists channel their mental illness into creativity.
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Kanye West apologises for past behaviour and talks about being bipolar
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So, you never did anything while off your meds that you don't stand by when on them? I don't get reaction at all.
My sister was bipolar, she talked to angels when she was off her meds, not always but sometimes. They told her to do all sorts of ill-advised things, but I guess they never told her Hitler was cool so, Kanye is just an ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊?
He's also clearly mentally ill. May well be a douche bag but also, clearly mentally ill.
Sure, he's rich as hell and it cushions downsides quite a bit, but he is clearly mentally ill and everyone once in a while goes of the rail.
Thermal
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I dunno. Maybe I haven't been exposed to enough of his behavior, but I've only ever seen an obnoxious twat that seems fully in control of his faculties.
Psychotic/manic people generally don't foam at the mouth or lick windows, much as you would like to believe the movies.
dirtywick
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plus, if it was all some self serving gimmick, well he lost everything so that doesn’t make a lot of sense. he just did a bunch of crazy and self destructive stuff that cost him a lot of money and fans. probably would have stopped if he was faking it all
Well, he's nearly 50-year-old Black man who started self-identifying as a Nazi about 5 years ago. He's been relatively famous for a good 30 years before that without sporting swastikas, so I'm comfortable with saying that about 5 years ago he almost certainly stopped taking some very important medication.
arthwollipot
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And your experience with Bipolar type-I is?
I think this stems from a common misunderstanding of the word "psychosis". It doesn't mean "psychopathic". Psychosis, in its most basic form, is manifested as an inability to distinguish reality from fantasy. Psychotic disorders will manifest in many ways - usually pre-primed with whatever the person is going through at the time. Highly religious peoples' psychosis often manifests in talking to angels or to God or to Satan. Conspiracy theorists believe in aliens, or that the government is plotting against them. In Ye's case, this phase of his psychosis appears to have manifested itself in Nazism, and yes, it is pretty worrying where that priming came from.
In this case there is a very fine line between reasons for bad behaviour and excuses for bad behaviour. Someone can honestly try to share their reasons, and have that interpreted as trying to give excuses.
It's quite common for disorders like Bipolar (type-I or type-II) to get worse as a person ages. This is why constant consultation with mental health professionals is required, because the treatment plan may have to change over time. In this case, it's entirely possible that the meds he was on just stopped working as well as they used to. That happens. I know someone who has cycled through a whole bunch of different meds with varying side effects. No antipsychotics are entirely without side effects.
A long lost friend of mine told me he had personal conversations with Jesus, not the Mexican guy.
He discussed why he had to suffer in life as he had troubles with stability.
A lot of history as a broken family and teens to adult major drug issues. He cooked his own from household chemicals.
He told a lot of fantastical stories of his past where he was a leader type in the situations, always the hero of sorts but rarely the guy in the white hat.
He was dearly a believer in a singular God that controlled our fate somehow. He claimed he could channel demons to torment a deeply christian neighbor in the next apartment where he lived once. I couldn't verify anything about that either. He was a martial arts master that never practiced more than the 12 ounce curl, usually Bud Ice.
It didn't affect our friendship until years later his substance abuse was making him useless unto everyone including himself.
He took no meds and didn't seek help. For two decades I knew him he was functional in society. Until he wasn't.
About 20 years ago he left Mexico, got into a bit of trouble in Texas right off the bus and disappeared.
I wish him, and mostly his victims well. But I know he was headed for disaster.
Mental problems are harder on borderline cases like him.
I am no closer to understanding what was in his head half the time. I am not sure he was.
He discussed why he had to suffer in life as he had troubles with stability.
A lot of history as a broken family and teens to adult major drug issues. He cooked his own from household chemicals.
He told a lot of fantastical stories of his past where he was a leader type in the situations, always the hero of sorts but rarely the guy in the white hat.
He was dearly a believer in a singular God that controlled our fate somehow. He claimed he could channel demons to torment a deeply christian neighbor in the next apartment where he lived once. I couldn't verify anything about that either. He was a martial arts master that never practiced more than the 12 ounce curl, usually Bud Ice.
It didn't affect our friendship until years later his substance abuse was making him useless unto everyone including himself.
He took no meds and didn't seek help. For two decades I knew him he was functional in society. Until he wasn't.
About 20 years ago he left Mexico, got into a bit of trouble in Texas right off the bus and disappeared.
I wish him, and mostly his victims well. But I know he was headed for disaster.
Mental problems are harder on borderline cases like him.
I am no closer to understanding what was in his head half the time. I am not sure he was.
Thermal
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Likely similar to yours. I took multiple psyche courses in college including abnormal psyche, my wife is a psychologist (as are many of her colleagues in our social circles) and in working with actual diagnosed bipolars, the literature is everywhere at home and the occasional subject of discussion between us, and like most people, I've got a few diagnosed bipolars in my friends and family circles.
More interesting than my experience would be yours, as you make a diagnosis on a stranger you haven't examined, not even getting into the fact that I don't think you have diagnostic credentials in the first place.
Bottom line: you gave a lay opinion about a celebrity's state of mind, and I gave one. We seriously going to do dueling credentials on this, or acknowledge that neither of us is remotely at the level of 'no doubt' about his inner workings?
TragicMonkey
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Only a proper doctor can update West's diagnosis from "batcrap" to merely "crap"; but either way I'm free to dislike him as an individual. I think he's done more harm than good in his time in the public eye and everyone --including himself-- would be better off if he retired and lived the rest of his life in uneventful quiet.
Kanye has a tour date in Mexico 
for his new stuff. I get the ad now.
The bits I heard of it I don't like his style, and I like rap and some hip hop artists.
Then his history in politics and coming to Mexico so I have no idea the people here know of his now repented leanings.
I am willing to bet a lot of us know. On a related note Kid Rock's music festival is bleeding talent. Not sure the current numbers but it's not many left.
This news will bleed into Kanye and the attendance at his show.
for his new stuff. I get the ad now.The bits I heard of it I don't like his style, and I like rap and some hip hop artists.
Then his history in politics and coming to Mexico so I have no idea the people here know of his now repented leanings.
I am willing to bet a lot of us know. On a related note Kid Rock's music festival is bleeding talent. Not sure the current numbers but it's not many left.
This news will bleed into Kanye and the attendance at his show.
He probably can't retire now and maintain his current lifestyle. 10,000 a month expenses or better with most celebrities. I used to be lucky to get that a year.
arthwollipot
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It is correct that neither of us is a mental health professional and neither of us has any business engaging in remote diagnosis. But we do it anyway, because that's what people do and here on an obscure internet forum there's little harm that can come of it.
Though I would love to brag about my long-term close friend who recently got her PhD in psychosocial disability as it relates to disability insurance and government policy - a field which she basically invented herself.
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as long as you realize you could be wrong and don't really get offended that someone disagrees with your take, i think it's fine. i see people say stuff like this and then get really defensive and upset someone thinks they may be wrong, and i think that may be it's own mental illness. not really but, you know, overly emotional when it doesn't make sense.
besides, i don't really think that kind of remote diagnosis is too out of pocket on people that have literally thousands of hours of footage and volumes of text of them in the form of biographies, interviews, in public interacting with other people. there's a pretty big public record of famous people
novaphile
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The foaming at the mouth, lolling tongue, rolling eyes etc. were symptoms of long term use of anti psychotic medication, not the underlying illness.
WTF? Gonna need a source for that.
novaphile
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Not what I was talking about. Not the same thing.
You introduced "rolling eyes".
The article doesn't mention what I said, foaming at the mouth and licking windows.
Alao, Tardive dyskinesia is in medicated, not the unmedicated individuals I was referring to.
And, it's in 30% or less medicated individuals, so not a trait "generally" had as I was talking about.
arthwollipot
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I thought they were symptoms of an epileptic seizure.