Jogging in Georgia while black.

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Fun fact: Botswana is ranked 30th on the Global Peace Index. The United States is ranked 128.

Just saying.

 

[bluesjnr]

Fun fact: Botswana is ranked 30th on the Global Peace Index. The United States is ranked 128.

Just saying.

Would you care to elucidate as to why this might be relevant to this conversation?

A quick glance would suggest that only 5 of the indicators, from 23 measured, would have any relevance and even then I can't, quickly, see how they affected the ranking.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Would you care to elucidate as to why this might be relevant to this conversation?

It seems to me no less relevant than, say, Arbery having been convicted of petty theft as a teenager.

Dave

 

[bluesjnr]

It seems to me no less relevant than, say, Arbery having been convicted of petty theft as a teenager.

Dave

No argument from me on that score, so I look forward to reading Squeegee Beckenheims response.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Would you care to elucidate as to why this might be relevant to this conversation?

A quick glance would suggest that only 5 of the indicators, from 23 measured, would have any relevance and even then I can't, quickly, see how they affected the ranking.

Assuming that you're not just trying to pick yet another pointless and meritless fight, the posts preceding mine were dealing with the question of whether or not black people are genetically more inclined to violence than white people, in the same way that some dog breeds are more aggressive than others.

A nation with a almost entirely black population ranking very highly on the Global Peace Index would suggest that perhaps black people are not inherently more violent than white people and that other factors are in fact in play, would it not? Similarly, the majority-white Russia ranking 154 out of 163 might suggest the same.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Assuming that you're not just trying to pick yet another pointless and meritless fight, the posts preceding mine were dealing with the question of whether or not black people are genetically more inclined to violence than white people, in the same way that some dog breeds are more aggressive than others.

A nation with a almost entirely black population ranking very highly on the Global Peace Index would suggest that perhaps black people are not inherently more violent than white people and that other factors are in fact in play, would it not? Similarly, the majority-white Russia ranking 154 out of 163 might suggest the same.

I noticed that The Gambia ranks highly too, I've been there a couple of times and can honestly say I've rarely felt so safe, even out on foot at night. When you take the level of poverty into account as well it was particularly impressive.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Indeed, but that is how they spell it!

Yeah, I looked it up..

It goes way back when pedants didn't exist..

 

[quadraginta]

Leave it up to those Alabamians to not know how to spell mussel.

They named it before people got so anal about having a particular, perfect way to spell each and every word.

If you spend a bit of time looking at place names you'll find many similar examples.

And they won't all be in the American South.

 

[catsmate]

100% true statement and I get the rolly-eyes?

Yes.
You said:

I'm not sure I'd characterize what he was wearing as running clothes, but he may have worn that to jog or run. But if I saw someone walking down the road wearing what Arbery(sp?) was wearing I wouldn't take that as evidence he was running or jogging.

as if your opinion has some merit, rather than being another smearing attempt.

 

[catsmate]

How is none of it true?

Wow, how disingenuous.
Let's look at what you said:

Because they knew he was trespassing on English's property

Reality: Untrue.

...he was trespassing on English's property

Reality: Untrue.

and that he had been caught on tape,

Reality: Untrue.

which they presumably found out about when English informed a neighbor that his camera picked up somebody there who shouldn't be there and the neighbor went to confront him and Travis pulled up and heard about what was going on and confronted him as well.

Reality: Untrue.

 

[catsmate]

Just watched the video.

Now I think it's much more likely that he was up to no good in the Satilla Shores neighborhood.

Of course you do.

 

[catsmate]

Because

White guy "sitting alone in his car" is just a guy chilling out, listening to the radio

Black guy "sitting alone in his car" must be suspicious and a criminal who is up to go good

And certain people here buy into this narrative.

 

[catsmate]

His behavior in the video suggests a certain kind of character that suggests to me he's more like to be involved in criminal activity. Mode of dress, confrontational manner with police, and many more subtle behavioral cues I've picked up upon from being part of and associating with the criminal elements of society.

Why not be honest and come out and add skin colour to yours pathetic little list?

 

[catsmate]

"Because he's a villain, sir."

"A villain."

"And a jailbird sir ."

"I know he's a jailbird, Savage, he's down in the cells now. We're holding him on a charge of being caught in possession of curly black hair and thick lips."

Not to forget the offensive wife...

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Why not be honest and come out and add skin colour to yours pathetic little list?

Keep your racism out of the thread please.

 

[johnny karate]

Keep your racism out of the thread please.

When you gloss over actual and blatant racist statements from other posters who just so happen to be on the same side of the issue as you, crap like this really falls flat.

Also, when someone claims that “subtle behavioral cues” of which apparently only they have the expertise to discern are part of what makes them think a black guy looks suspicious, it seems kind of racist.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Nobody buys the "People who point out racism are the real racist!" dog whistle except racists.

 

[johnny karate]

As I say, I don't disagree that the corruption could go that high. I just think that if it is, the international attention might cause them to do this one by the book.

Then again, brazenly getting away with racism and corruption isn't exactly unheard of in the US these days.

I share JoeMorgue’s concern.

I think the big problem isn’t so much how effectively this case is prosecuted, but rather the jury pool in that part of the country.

Look no further than this case as an example of what I’m talking about.

Bullet points:

White guy shoots up a car full of black teenagers over a dispute about loud music, killing one of them.

White guy flees the scene and is apprehended sometime later 200 miles away.

White guy claims self-defense.

During the trial, every bit of evidence that could corroborate his self-defense claim is refuted.

And the jury still came back hung on the first degree murder charge.

Luckily, he was retried and found guilty, and is now rotting in prison.

When you look at the details of this case, it’s mind-boggling that any juror could come back with anything other than guilty on the murder charge.

But then when you consider that the trial took place in Florida, it becomes easier to understand.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

When you gloss over actual and blatant racist statements from other posters who just so happen to be on the same side of the issue as you, crap like this really falls flat.

There are a lot of posts which contain points with which I disagree in this 65 page thread. Of course, I don't respond to them all, but that isn't evidence of tacit agreement. If you think that's a good line of argumentation, realize that it applies to yourself as well. There are plenty of statements to which you've given no reply. Can I attribute all of those thoughts to you?

Also, when someone claims that “subtle behavioral cues” of which apparently only they have the expertise to discern are part of what makes them think a black guy looks suspicious, it seems kind of racist.

Some of them were not so subtle. Some of them were more subtle and based on my particular experiences with and among the criminal element, and some were probably so subtle that my lizard brain picked up on them and I was not even consciously aware. It's a sort of profiling that we all do, based in part on evolution, and in part on our personal experience. We all know this, although some of us like to pretend we don't.

I don't know why you keep referring to Arbery just as "a black guy" as if that's all that matters about him. Do you think all black guys are the same?

 

[bruto]

Amy I misreading, or did I just see that the proof one one's non-racism is based on the presumption that the victim was part of the "criminal element" but the murderers were not?