Jogging in Georgia while black.

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Skeptic Tank said:
All he had to do was have the maturity and self-control at that point to say, you know what? You got me. I'll face the music and sit here until the cops arrive, which it sounds like was just a few seconds away.
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Gee, I don't suppose there might be a reason why he didn't trust the police?

Police tried to tase Ahmaud Arbery in 2017 incident, video shows

  • Officers questioned why Arbery was sitting alone in his car in a park one morning in November 2017
  • Family lawyers say video shows Ahmaud ‘harassed by police’

Police attempted to use a Taser on Ahmaud Arbery, the slain Georgia jogger, after questioning why he was sitting alone in his car in a park one morning in November 2017, according to records and a police video obtained by the Guardian.

The video, obtained through a public records request, comes to light as law enforcement in the area faces scrutiny after Arbery was shot dead by two white men while jogging in February. Police did not arrest Gregory and Travis McMichael, who chased down and killed the unarmed Arbery, and a prosecutor assigned to the case wrote a lengthy memo explaining why the killing was legally justified.

That prosecutor, George Barnhill, eventually recused himself, noting his son had worked with Gregory McMichael in the district attorney’s office and they had worked on a previous case Arbery was involved in.

In the video an officer patrolling the area suspected Arbery of using marijuana, saying he was in a park known for drug activity.
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whoanellie said:
This remains a gross misrepresentation of how trials actually work. Regarding alternate suspects, are you familiar with the Russ Faria case?
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I wasn't. But that defendant was ultimately freed after investigation revealed massive misconduct by police and prosecutors, and it was considered an error and an injustice that the judge did not allow the defense to offer an alternative suspect.

That kinda undercuts your argument. A judge who did not allow the defense to propose an alternative suspect was punished and the verdict was overturned. Wouldn't that imply that judges would be expected to allow such a defense?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Hupp
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Funny, I like him more now. The nation has too many bootlickers as it is.
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Agree.

Having seen the video, I think it's much less likely that he was up to no good in the Satilla Shores neighborhood. He was murdered less than two miles away from his home - for a regular jogger, two miles is nothing.
 
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Again the number of people who are okay with murdering people who are "up to no good" is sickening.

As I've said watching people play the "How much can we just say 'Sure he was murdered, but he was a no-good thug and the world is better off' without actually saying it game?" got old a while ago.

We will, as ordered for reasons of "civility," continue to pretend the obvious reason doesn't exist.
 
PhantomWolf said:
While I have no interest in re-litigating this case, it's easy enough to go and get the facts by watching the actual case on YouTube, I have highlighted the incorrect parts of your post.
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Unless your mouse glitched, you failed to highlight this: "We only have his account of what happened after that." And you're prepared to swallow his account whole?

And note particularly his call to the police:
dispatcher:
Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:
Yeah. [2:25]
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http://www.burtonsys.com/zimmerman911transcript.html

Zimmerman never had to be there, and he shouldn't have been.
 
arthwollipot said:
Gee, I don't suppose there might be a reason why he didn't trust the police?

Police tried to tase Ahmaud Arbery in 2017 incident, video shows
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Let's add more from that link:
In the video an officer patrolling the area suspected Arbery of using marijuana, saying he was in a park known for drug activity.

Arbery, dressed in a green hat, winter coat and athletic pants, said he didn’t have drugs and refused to let the officer search his car. He told the officer he was relaxing by rapping in his car over instrumental beats and had the day off from work at Blue Beacon Truck Wash.

The incident, previously described by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, escalated when Arbery began to question why the officer, Michael Kanago, was hassling him. Kanago claimed he began to feel threatened by Arbery, later writing in his report that “veins were popping from [Arbery’s] chest, which made me feel that he was becoming enraged and may turn physically violent towards me”. Kanago requested help from a second officer.

“You’re bothering me for nothing,” Arbery said to Kanago, according to body camera footage. After Kanago told him he was looking for criminal activity, Arbery said “criminal activity? I’m in a ******* park. I work.”

The second officer, David Haney, arrived minutes later and screamed at Arbery to get his hands out of his pockets, which Arbery did.

Haney then attempted to tase Arbery, but his Taser malfunctioned, according to Kanago’s report. Arbery continued to comply with instructions from the two officers to get on the ground. Kanago had already searched Arbery for weapons before Haney arrived, and deduced he was unarmed.

“I get one day off a week…I’m up early in the morning trying to chill,” Arbery told the officers as he sat on the ground. “I’m just so aggravated because I work hard, six days a week.”
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lionking said:
Indeed. It also shows that the first shot was fired before Arbery tries to grab Travis’ gun. Open and shut.
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I agree. Up to now it seemed that Arbey attacked Travis because Travis was pointing a gun at him. From that video it is clear that Arbey didn't attack Travis until after he had been shot.

Travis' best argument now is "He ran at me" and when the evidence shows that they ran him down, herded him and then moved towards him to block Arbey when he tried to run around the truck away from Travis, the "he ran at me" line isn't even going to work with most hard core racists. (I say most because I am sure ST will still claim that Arbey was at fault because "reasons").

I also can’t see how Roddy walks free. He was an active part of the hunt.
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Agreed. Perhaps immunity for testimony.
 
Bob001 said:
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Any patriotic American should get angry when hassled by the police under such flimsy pretexts.

I see no notice he was arrested during this confrontation. Seems like he was doing nothing wrong.

The local police department, on the other hand, is notorious for corruption and in danger of being disbanded.
 
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Bob001 said:
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Police hassle and then taze an innocent man because he's black.

BTW, when the Police ask to search your vehicle, 10 out of 10 lawyers will tell you to say no, even if you believe that you have nothing in your car that is illegal, and considering cases where people have gone to jail for up to 10 months and even been convicted of drug offences for having things like cotton candy and powdered milk in their vehicles, I'm with the lawyers and Arbey on this one.
 
Funny that their tazer failed to deploy, and yet the encounter ended without the need for additional force. Almost as if the use of the tazer was totally unjustified.
 
arthwollipot said:
Gee, I don't suppose there might be a reason why he didn't trust the police
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To be fair, he wasn't being chased by the police. He was being chased by gun-toting white boys in a truck.

No reason to trust them, either of course.

I've said it before, when will these uppity ******* realize that all they need to do is submit to the authority of white people? Life would be so much better.
 
pgwenthold said:
To be fair, he wasn't being chased by the police. He was being chased by gun-toting white boys in a truck.
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The suggestion was made that he should have merely submitted and waited for the police to arrive (who were apparently "seconds" away which means approaching at the time the video was being made, presumably out of frame). This near-tazing incident and the general abuse of African-Americans by law enforcement officers in a variety of parts of the country contribute to a general lack of trust in the impartiality of the police in situations like this. It's not at all surprising that Arbey would not be keen on trusting the cops to sort it all out amicably.
 
Bob001 said:
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"In the video an officer patrolling the area suspected Arbery of using marijuana, saying he was in a park known for drug activity."

Seriously? Do you realize how often cops use the "I can smell marijuana" lie to justify probable cause to search and detain drivers, especially black drivers?
 
pgwenthold said:
To be fair, he wasn't being chased by the police. He was being chased by gun-toting white boys in a truck.
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Yeah, but the original comment from ST that Arth was responding to was..

"All he had to do was have the maturity and self-control at that point to say, you know what? You got me. I'll face the music and sit here until the cops arrive, which it sounds like was just a few seconds away."

Given the way he has been harassed by the Glynn County cops in the recent past, I can well understand what he wanted nothing to do with them either.
 
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