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Jews - Emotions - Consequences

In general, John Howard seems to have formed his view of the world in the 1950s when Australia was a LOT more homogenous than it is now. I am not sure that he is comfortable with the modern multicultural Australia. I am not sure that he even recognises that it is not a bad thing that different communities have different needs and aspirations
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Well lets remember we are dealing with Bob Menzies love child here lol
 
a_unique_person said:
I would mention that directly, his attitude towards aboriginals leaves a lot to be desired.
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While I agree in part with that, I'd like to add that I don't really think that the calls for him to "Say Sorry" are helping matters much. If anything they take the spotlight off far more important issues such as the indigenous unemployment rate, alcoholism, and corruption in aboriginal communities (to name a few).
 
Elizabeth I said:
(...) Finally he asked a "riddle": What's the most beautiful sight in the world? Answer: All the n****** swimming back to Africa with a Mexican under each arm. I did the blank stare, then asked, "Why would the Mexicans want to go to Africa?" as if I really didn't understand and honestly wanted to know. (...)
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Why on Earth would the people of African descent want to go to Africa???!
 
gtc & A_U_P:

Thank you for a little background on Hanson. As you two actually agree on something political-her wackiness, it must be true!

The only thing I have heard about her was that in Queensland she sanctioned-? the placement of aborigonee pictures onto walls for police to shoot at for target practice training.:boggled:

It would be safe to say most Americans have never heard of her, and know little of Howard.
 
I understand the urge to strike out violently, but unforunately you are more likely to harm yourself. When you go into a rage, you lose, they win. If everyone ignored them (as long as they are not doing something actually illegal), they would lose. If they commit a crime, or have a job in a regular company, you could maybe find a better legal way to get them, but that would take some effort.
 
steverino said:
gtc & A_U_P:

Thank you for a little background on Hanson. As you two actually agree on something political-her wackiness, it must be true!
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I think we understated her whackiness!

steverino said:
The only thing I have heard about her was that in Queensland she sanctioned-? the placement of aborigonee pictures onto walls for police to shoot at for target practice training.:boggled:
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I think I heard something about that. Fortunately her view did not count.

steverino said:
It would be safe to say most Americans have never heard of her, and know little of Howard.
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She got quite a bit of attention in Asia and damaged our reputation. A lot of people didn't know the difference between being elected to parliament and being part of the government.

Howard would like to be big on the world stage. Paradoxically, he is also not very interested in being engaged with the wider world. Signing up to Bush's coalition of the willing suited his style.

I do wonder whether he has neglected (or failed to emphasise) our involvement in Afghanistan, South East Asia and the South West Pacific. Terrorism and failed states are problems in our region and we have been quite an effective partner to the US. Of course, by being in Iraq, we hope we can gain the US's good will.
 
Regarding the OP, I'm reminded of this exchange from Woody Allen's Manhattan:
Isaac Davis: Has anybody read that Nazis are gonna march in New Jersey? Y'know, I read this in the newspaper. We should go down there, get some guys together, y'know, get some bricks and baseball bats and really explain things to them.
Party Guest: There is this devastating satirical piece on that on the Op Ed page of the Times, it is devastating.
Isaac Davis: Well, a satirical piece in the Times is one thing, but bricks and baseball bats really gets right to the point.
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I feel certain that Neo-Nazis and Holocaust Revisionists don't actually believe that the Holocaust didn't happen. They say what they say solely to tick us off. Logical argument proving the Holocaust happened simply serves their sick psychological need and will only provoke them further. They will wear you down insisting that you repond to their ridiculous made up evidence rather than admitting to the preponderance of evidence to the contrary. If you won't provide a point-by-point rebuttal to some vomit-inducing anti-Semitic screed then they declare victory.

I agree, bricks and bats are in order.
 
grunion said:
Regarding the OP, I'm reminded of this exchange from Woody Allen's Manhattan:
I feel certain that Neo-Nazis and Holocaust Revisionists don't actually believe that the Holocaust didn't happen. They say what they say solely to tick us off. Logical argument proving the Holocaust happened simply serves their sick psychological need and will only provoke them further. They will wear you down insisting that you repond to their ridiculous made up evidence rather than admitting to the preponderance of evidence to the contrary. If you won't provide a point-by-point rebuttal to some vomit-inducing anti-Semitic screed then they declare victory.

I agree, bricks and bats are in order.
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I once downloaded a video where a young Jewish man visited Auschwitz and attempted to prove to his viewers that the gas chambers were never used on humans and that the Jewish prisoners were treated poorly though not abysmally. While I was wholly unconvinced, I do believe that he was sincere (though misinformed) in his beliefs. Essentially, I believe he needs a good history lesson and I doubt that a beating would change his mind.
 
Yiab said:
I once downloaded a video where a young Jewish man visited Auschwitz and attempted to prove to his viewers that the gas chambers were never used on humans and that the Jewish prisoners were treated poorly though not abysmally. While I was wholly unconvinced, I do believe that he was sincere (though misinformed) in his beliefs. Essentially, I believe he needs a good history lesson and I doubt that a beating would change his mind.
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That was probably Mark Weber.

I think that, with maybe a small handful of exceptions, Holocaust Deniers are absolutely convinced that they really are right. Just like all the 9/11 twoofers are convinced they are right. Or all creationists. Or... well, I think you get what I´m hinting at.
 
steverino said:
I think if you physically harm a white supremacist for being a white spremacist you are committing a "hate crime" in addition to a "crime/crime" and can get a double-whammy in court.
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Wrong,
White people do not have special protection because they are White. In the US there is no equal protection under the law for Whites.
 
Civilized Worm said:
If they're a white american you should suggest they go back to whatever european country they originated from and leave place to the true natives.
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The purpose of America was to bring various peoples from Europe to this land a form a new nation. America was never intended to be a multi-racial melting pot. America was meant to be White.
 
Civilized Worm said:
And that there's plenty of white people in Africa who don't want them their either

I think the dumbest ones are the british racists who don't want any other races coming over and mixing with their anglo-saxon blood. Hello? What do you think "anglo-saxon" means? It means you're already mixed race!
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Mixed blood from other European tribes, which are White. You seem to miss this important point.
 
steverino said:
I don't why you and one other post equates being conservative with being antisemitic. Left-wing communist Russia was antisemitic in the 20th century. I do not believe that either wing is immune from such hatred.
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You mean just Joe Stalin.
 
grunion said:
Regarding the OP, I'm reminded of this exchange from Woody Allen's Manhattan:
I feel certain that Neo-Nazis and Holocaust Revisionists don't actually believe that the Holocaust didn't happen. They say what they say solely to tick us off. Logical argument proving the Holocaust happened simply serves their sick psychological need and will only provoke them further. They will wear you down insisting that you repond to their ridiculous made up evidence rather than admitting to the preponderance of evidence to the contrary. If you won't provide a point-by-point rebuttal to some vomit-inducing anti-Semitic screed then they declare victory.

I agree, bricks and bats are in order.
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You should take a look at what Historical Revisionists believe. They are real and very sincere.
http://www.ihr.org/
 
timhau said:
Are you sure? Maybe we're just not hitting hard enough.
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Can I suggest an expert team to look at this, focussing upon laboratory controlled empirical analysis?

Perhaps MaGZ will volounteer to help?
 
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