Jews - Emotions - Consequences

[a_unique_person]

Have tried to send you proof of the Tas. shootings but the big computer in the sky won't let me. As for Howard we have had 3 Jewish PM. J.H. Hawk and Menzies all have a forest named after them in Israel. Howards mob changed there name when they came to Australia. Howard (who took our guns) has a honor Jewish citizenship and some times he wears a skull cap. Every honorable Jew would want to know if Modas(not sure if spelling is right) had any involment in Port Arthur. Snail mail would be the only way I could send you the web site. Cheers Old Bob

Hawk, Menzies and Howard Jewish? That's a new one. They were favourable towards Israel, that doesn't make them Jewish. Politicians often dress up in the dress convention when visiting different ethnic groups, it's polite.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Hawk, Menzies and Howard Jewish? That's a new one. They were favourable towards Israel, that doesn't make them Jewish. Politicians often dress up in the dress convention when visiting different ethnic groups, it's polite.

As much as I hate to link to the Daily Racist, it was the first picture I came across on google.

 

[zooloo]

Speaking as a Jew with direct connections to the Holocaust (similar to many Jews, I would imagine) it never fails to offend. And I would have difficulty refraining from physical violence too, I concur with you.

I sometimes feel like yelling, "You want proof of the Holocaust? You want proof? IS A LETTER DESCRIBING MY UNCLE'S FINAL MOMENTS PROOF ENOUGH FOR YOU???"

But I'm not going to give them that satisfaction.

erm... IS A LETTER DESCRIBING IT ALL AS A HOAX PROOF ENOUGH FOR YOU???

 

[a_unique_person]

erm... IS A LETTER DESCRIBING IT ALL AS A HOAX PROOF ENOUGH FOR YOU???

Are you saying he's lying?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

erm... IS A LETTER DESCRIBING IT ALL AS A HOAX PROOF ENOUGH FOR YOU???

I think you're stating that as a letter it doesn't hold any water.

If so, this is a ridiculous statement, since it describes an account of what happened by one who was there and then (presumably) was not, due to his being killed. A letter can be evidence, but your example would not be. Why? Because a letter stating it was a hoax wouldn't be first hand knowledge, it would just be a letter.

Of course, even the letter from the relative isn't perfect evidence. It certainly isn't good in comparison to say, the videos of the mass graves, the nazi documentation of the actions, the testimony of the guards etc.

 

[zooloo]

Are you saying he's lying?

No.

I think you're stating that as a letter it doesn't hold any water.

If so, this is a ridiculous statement, since it describes an account of what happened by one who was there and then (presumably) was not, due to his being killed. A letter can be evidence, but your example would not be. Why? Because a letter stating it was a hoax wouldn't be first hand knowledge, it would just be a letter.

Of course, even the letter from the relative isn't perfect evidence. It certainly isn't good in comparison to say, the videos of the mass graves, the nazi documentation of the actions, the testimony of the guards etc.

I think you are stating a mere letter wouldn't convince you against what you believe.

If so, this is a reasonable statement.

 

[gtc]

GTC. SOG had no night vision? come on.

Did they have night vision equipment?

Either way, night vision equipment would only have shown them that there was a shooter and where he was at that moment, it wouldn't rule out that there might be another shooter elsewhere. Nightvision equipment would only have spotted Bryant if he was outside or openly shooting from a window. He didn't openly shoot from windows and he was only briefly outside. During the night he was holding Seascape, Bryant made it look like there might be more than one shooter and was careful to avoid being shot.

He moved around a lot, shooting one weapon (well back from the windows) then picking up another in a different position. He would flick lights on and off and would turn a light on downstairs and quickly run upstairs to shoot a weapon. He even moved between buildings on the property, firing from each.

Despite this he was spotted by some of the marksmen of the SOG. However, Australian police are only allowed to kill if their lives, or the lives of others, are in immediate danger.

All this is from Chapter 18 of Suddenly One Sunday.

By the way, I am an Australian. I know full well the impact that Bryant's murders had on Australia and I don't have major doubts about the attacks of September 2001. I also suspect that the media doesn't cover this because it is still a very sensitive issue for the victims families and friends and because they simply do not believe you.

Why don't you tell us which is the most convincing piece of evidence for a conspiracy about Port Arthur and we can discuss it.

 

[Mycroft]

Ok your Jew, Good i have a question.

I recently heard for the first time that there is no physical evidence in the world of the Jews ever being enslaved except for in the Bible.

I was wondering if this is true....

Nazi concentration camps were slave labor camps, so yeah, in modern history Jews were enslaved.

If you're talking about the biblical story of Exodus, then I think you are correct, that there is no corroborating evidence outside the bible to support any aspect of that story.

I wonder why you think you would need to ask that of a Jew? It's not as though being a Jew makes a person an expert on biblical history.

 

[Old Bob]

Did they have night vision equipment?

Either way, night vision equipment would only have shown them that there was a shooter and where he was at that moment, it wouldn't rule out that there might be another shooter elsewhere. Nightvision equipment would only have spotted Bryant if he was outside or openly shooting from a window. He didn't openly shoot from windows and he was only briefly outside. During the night he was holding Seascape, Bryant made it look like there might be more than one shooter and was careful to avoid being shot.

He moved around a lot, shooting one weapon (well back from the windows) then picking up another in a different position. He would flick lights on and off and would turn a light on downstairs and quickly run upstairs to shoot a weapon. He even moved between buildings on the property, firing from each.

Despite this he was spotted by some of the marksmen of the SOG. However, Australian police are only allowed to kill if their lives, or the lives of others, are in immediate danger.

All this is from Chapter 18 of Suddenly One Sunday.

By the way, I am an Australian. I know full well the impact that Bryant's murders had on Australia and I don't have major doubts about the attacks of September 2001. I also suspect that the media doesn't cover this because it is still a very sensitive issue for the victims families and friends and because they simply do not believe you.

Why don't you tell us which is the most convincing piece of evidence for a conspiracy about Port Arthur and we can discuss it.

gtc re Bryant. Why don't you read and discuss some of the facts in the link I sent earlier, it's all there. Who was the naked woman who run screaming around seacape,? that never made the papers, Mrs Martin was surposed to be killed earlier. How come the so call killer weapon was handed in to the police previous to the crime and the owner came forward with police's num. and receipt? shootersnews.addr.com

 

[Loss Leader]

I recently heard for the first time that there is no physical evidence in the world of the Jews ever being enslaved except for in the Bible.

I tend not to think that Jews were the slaves who labored on the pyramids. It has nothing to do with historical evidence; I just can't believe any relative of mine actually built something.

 

[gtc]

gtc re Bryant. Why don't you read and discuss some of the facts in the link I sent earlier, it's all there. Who was the naked woman who run screaming around seacape,? that never made the papers, Mrs Martin was surposed to be killed earlier. How come the so call killer weapon was handed in to the police previous to the crime and the owner came forward with police's num. and receipt? shootersnews.addr.com

Please provide the evidence that there was a naked lady who ran screaming around Seascape. Maybe you could also explain why, if she wasn't dead, all the evidence suggests that she had been shot earlier. You are suggesting that all the police, ambulance, fire officers who investigated as well as the doctors, nurses and coronial staff who examined the bodies were in on a conspiracy.

Maybe you can also explain why the naked lady didn't run away from Seascape; if I was a hostage, I wouldn't run around the building that I am trying to escape from.

Do you realise how crazy your theory sounds?

 

[Doubt]

Best to use denier logic against them:

http://www.revisionism.nl/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

Potato famine denial is the best part.

 

[Mobyseven]

Ok your Jew, Good i have a question.

I recently heard for the first time that there is no physical evidence in the world of the Jews ever being enslaved except for in the Bible.

I was wondering if this is true....

As others have mentioned, this is a question best asked not necessarily of a Jew but of an anthropologist. As far as I am aware, however, there is very little (if any) evidence that would corroborate the story of Hebrew enslavement by the Egyptians as presented in Exodus - the matter is still somewhat up for debate as to whether the Hebrews may have been in Egypt for a period, but the version presented in Exodus at least seems to be extremely unlikely at best.

That, however, is merely my recollection of the facts. I am not an antropologist or archaeologist, nor do I play one on TV. I may well be very wrong.

erm... IS A LETTER DESCRIBING IT ALL AS A HOAX PROOF ENOUGH FOR YOU???

No. Indeed, if someone presented me with a letter describing the last moments of my great-uncle as given in the letter currently in my mother's possession and there were no evidence outside of said letter that the Holocaust had ever occurred, I would think that someone was playing a very sick, unfunny joke on me, and that it was in very poor taste.

The letter merely gives me a stronger emotional connection to the event (as though I needed another reason).

 

[Old Bob]

GTC, Are you so thick that you can't open the web site? Wouldn't that be a good idea instead of telling me how crazy I sound? Mrs Martin was bashed to death not shot. It's tough when uninformed people parrot what the media spew out and attack the person who is trying to bring forth the truth - just open and read the bloody web site.

 

[gtc]

I am not saying that you sound crazy. I am saying that the idea that the Australian government connived with a foreign government, the Tasmanian government, the Victorian, New South Wales, Tasmanian and Federal Police, the Tasmanian Ambulance Service, the Fire Brigade, the National Parks, the Doctors, the Courts, the Coroners, the Forensic examiners, the Prisons and the Hospitals (among others) to frame an innocent man and to kill 35 people and wound more does sound crazy. It also sounds crazy to suggest that none of these people have said anything in the 12 years since the event. But above all it sounds crazy that these people would go to so much trouble to keep the secret but then let you make websites about it and allow you to make presentations up and down the East Coast.

If you want us to believe an idea that seems unreasonable then you have to provide solid evidence but so far you have provided only claims not evidence.

Each time I ask for evidence for one claim you change the topic. We started talking about whether the Police knew there were more than one shooter or simply thought there might be two shooters. Instead of addressing my points, you made the claim that a naked women was seen running around the building. I ask for evidence and again you change the topic to suggest that Mrs Martin was bashed to death. We can keep playing this game until eventually you will just get back to your first claim again.

For now I will point out that it is accepted that Mrs Martin was struck with a blunt object. The last paragraph of Chapter 18 of Suddenly One Sunday says:

...the remains of David and Sally Martin and Glenn Pears were found in the ...guest house. All three had been shot, ... David Martin may also have been stabbed and Sally Martin had been struck with a blunt object.

Does it really matter if it was the blunt object or the bullet that actually finished her? Would it even matter if she hadn't been shot but simply bashed to death by Bryant?

If you want to achieve something here, why don't you tell us what is the single most important piece of evidence that makes you think that Bryant was not responsible.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Hrrm, I was following this thread a bit and what came to my mind now what I did when I saw some German blog peddling anti-Semitic Jewish world conspiracy BS I just mailed the German Central Consistory of Jews and asked them if they could do something about it in hopes of expecting the place to shut down and the owners to get a hefty fine. Dunno though if there was enough legal ground to take action. Maybe I should check back on that blog heh.

Oh and they responded thankfully after a week or so.

 

[Allen773]

Though I deplore mindless Antisemitism, I can understand how easy it is to "blame the jooz". Since the horrors of the Holocaust, the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction-from anti-Semitism in Europe being the norm to it now being completely unacceptable to the point where any criticism of Israel is regarded as anti-Semitic or pro-terrorist. Which is ironic, because by any definition, the Israeli military has engaged in just as many acts of terrorism, if not more than the Palestinian people. But since Israel is America's puppet in the Middle East (or is it the other way around?), and since the Israeli terrorists are wearing uniforms, it's all fine and dandy for Israelis to slaughter Palestinians.

 

[Mycroft]

So if you deplore "mindless antisemitism" does that imply you like and appreciate the well thought out antisemitism?

Nobody claims all criticism of Israel is antisemitic and I've never seen the claim made by anyone who doesn't want to poison the well for when their own criticisms might get too extreme.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[Naughtyhippo]

Mixed blood from other European tribes, which are White. You seem to miss this important point.

Oh yeah, so why the outcry against white immigrants? Or are people from Poland no longer considered to be 'white'? Why the racism against the Irish?

ETA: Sorry, got a bit carried away when I got to MaGZ...

 

[Darth Rotor]

So if you deplore "mindless antisemitism" does that imply you like and appreciate the well thought out antisemitism?

It's more entertaining to read, that's for sure.

Nobody claims all criticism of Israel is antisemitic

Ever heard of a guy called Foxman?

and I've never seen the claim made by anyone who doesn't want to poison the well for when their own criticisms might get too extreme.

Is that a poisoning of the well?

DR