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Cont: Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did. Part II

henri - inmate did not "pass" a polygraph until 15 years repeat 15 years after he butchered his family. a sociopathic narcissistic ba$tard such as inmate could easily beat a polygraph after such a long time. he is still guilty - polygraphs taken near the events in question are more reliable than those so remote in time....

most people seem to understand that fact why don't you? I know you dislike it when we insist on "clouding the issues with facts" but that is how the world works. Inmate failed the important polygraphs, period. Also, since the polygraph is not admissible in court it is a non-issue.

the important thing to remember is that the DNA results proved beyond all doubt that inmate was the murderer. The "mystery hair" that he and the defense team said would prove to be from the murderer were 100% accurate and the hair was a 100% DNA match to inmate. period, end or sentence!
 
the important thing to remember is that the DNA results proved beyond all doubt that inmate was the murderer. The "mystery hair" that he and the defense team said would prove to be from the murderer were 100% accurate and the hair was a 100% DNA match to inmate. period, end or sentence!

That hair in Colette's left hand and even the hair in her right hand was controversial from the start. The North Carolina judges didn't want it investigated.You don't seem to fully appreciate that the Army CID lab technicians were very inexperienced and being coached by the crooked prosecution lawyers Murtagh and Bruce who were experts at cheating on the DNA. So-called hair and fiber experts Malone and Stombaugh of the FBI lab have been proved to be forensic whores and liars for hire. Adultery is not a serious crime.

There is a bit about this sort of thing from that old English Justice law book published in 1932 by an anonymous police court solicitor:

"A terrible problem is presented by a recent Liverpool case. I omit names because, notwithstanding the ultimate result, there must be people to whom the facts are painful. A man was convicted of murder and sentenced to death.. There can be no doubt that the verdict of the jury was based, not upon the evidence given at the trial, but upon what they had read in the newspapers about the preliminary proceedings and upon the usual kind of gossip, The accused had little money, but influential friends. He appealed, and the Court of Criminal Appeal acquitted him, setting aside the verdict of the jury."
 
Regurgitator ad nauseam

Thanks Henri for proving your own point of never admitting a wrong and sticking to a mistake through thick and thin.

Still guilty & in a cage!
 
There was an interesting case mentioned in that English Justice book published in 1932 by an anonymous police court solicitor which reminds me of the unfairness of the MacDonald case:

"On 8th July, 1932, I was in court on the hearing of an application for ejectment. The tenant pleaded that he had seven children, and that it was hard to get a house.
The Clerk said to him : "You took the responsibility of seven children. I didn't get them. You should have thought of that when you were getting them."
This was said in open court, and I made a note at the time.
Buffoonery on the bench in husband and wife cases is incessant in some courts. One would suppose that justices and their clerks imagined that those who appeared before them were devoid of ordinary human feeling......."
 
That hair in Colette's left hand and even the hair in her right hand was controversial from the start. The North Carolina judges didn't want it investigated.
it is not judges who determine what will be or will not be investigated in the course of a pretrial criminal investigation. Please provide the evidence that the judges in question did not want it investigated. Although isn't it interesting that when the DNA was investigated it cleared Stoeckley and Mitchel and implicated MacDonald.

As for being "controversial", well for decades the defence was arguing that one of the hairs in Colette's hands would in fact be from one of the real killers. It proved to be from MacDonald. It only then became "controversial" because it was not the result the defence wanted.

You don't seem to fully appreciate that the Army CID lab technicians were very inexperienced and being coached by the crooked prosecution lawyers Murtagh and Bruce who were experts at cheating on the DNA. So-called hair and fiber experts Malone and Stombaugh of the FBI lab have been proved to be forensic whores and liars for hire. Adultery is not a serious crime.

Assertions are not evidence. Your assertion that the CID lab technicians were inexperienced is a mere assertion without foundation. Your fantasies about Murtagh and Bruce both coaching the lab technicians and cheating on the DNA are simply crap pulled out of your ass.

Finally your fantasies about Malone and Stombaugh being "proved" to be liars and "forensic whores", is another piece of utter nonsense on your part.

There is a bit about this sort of thing from that old English Justice law book published in 1932 by an anonymous police court solicitor:

"A terrible problem is presented by a recent Liverpool case. I omit names because, notwithstanding the ultimate result, there must be people to whom the facts are painful. A man was convicted of murder and sentenced to death.. There can be no doubt that the verdict of the jury was based, not upon the evidence given at the trial, but upon what they had read in the newspapers about the preliminary proceedings and upon the usual kind of gossip, The accused had little money, but influential friends. He appealed, and the Court of Criminal Appeal acquitted him, setting aside the verdict of the jury."

And your point? The jurors afterwards were asked afterwards about their verdict. They mentioned that they found it hard to believe MacDonald did it. They said that the defence had totally failed to deal with the physical evidence of guilt so they had no choice but to convict. Please provide the evidence that the jury was affected by pretrial newspaper accounts and not, has they actually said the physical evidence and the failure of the defence to deal with it.

Henri your repeated assertions and accusations of conspiracy and assorted other totally un-evidenced rubbish is very amusing.
 
Assertions are not evidence. Your assertion that the CID lab technicians were inexperienced is a mere assertion without foundation. Your fantasies about Murtagh and Bruce both coaching the lab technicians and cheating on the DNA are simply crap pulled out of your ass.

Finally your fantasies about Malone and Stombaugh being "proved" to be liars and "forensic whores", is another piece of utter nonsense on your part.

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I disagree. Murtagh had a will to win attitude at any cost for the sake of his career. I suppose it might be true that Bernie Segal was not MacDonald's best lawyer. He treated the North Carolina lawyers and jury like bumpkins which they were and that might not have been very tactful or diplomatic. There are no first-class trial judges in North Carolina. I think Gary Bostwick was MacDonald's better lawyer and he could speak in plain English. Judge Dupree made the remark once that Segal was the only lawyer he knew who would take three days to litigate an uncontested divorce case.

There is a bit about all this in a website by Bill James who is not convinced MacDonald is innocent, unlike me. but he does write sense about the MacDonald case :

"Morris argues that the judge in the case, Franklin Dupree (formerly of the law firm You, Me and Dupree) was biased against MacDonald, ruled repeatedly against him, and blocked all of his appeals. In fact, Morris argues implicitly, the judge was really the only person in the case who was fully convinced of MacDonald’s guilt; the prosecutors were, in their minds, doing the best they could with the case they had, but they didn’t really know whether he was guilty or not. The judge, on the other hand, was just trying to make sure that this scoundrel got what he deserved. In the index to the book there are 30 pages referenced under Dupree, Franklin T—bias of.

I have no idea whether Judge Dupree was or was not biased, frankly, and I don’t take too seriously Morris’s repeated claims that he was. But again, Morris does have a point here. After MacDonald was convicted, many of his appeals, in one form or another, had to go back through Judge Dupree’s court.

That’s not right, for this reason. Of course the judicial system makes every possible effort to find judges who are able to rise above their assumptions, their biases—but, in the interests of fairness, the system should never assume that the trial judge was unbiased. The system should assume, in the interests of fairness, that there is a possibility that the appellant has been unfairly treated, and should ask someone else to look at all appeals.

I would go further than that: I would ban anyone involved in a prosecution—judges and prosecutors—from playing any role in the case, after the conviction, insofar as it is practical to avoid this. I would prohibit them from commenting on or being involved in appeals. I would prohibit them from appearing before or even from writing to parole boards.

I have often observed, in reading crime books, that the worst injustices occur because police, prosecutors or judges are absolutely convinced that they know what happened when they really don’t."
 
Assertions are not evidence. Your assertion that the CID lab technicians were inexperienced is a mere assertion without foundation. Your fantasies about Murtagh and Bruce both coaching the lab technicians and cheating on the DNA are simply crap pulled out of your ass.

Finally your fantasies about Malone and Stombaugh being "proved" to be liars and "forensic whores", is another piece of utter nonsense on your part.

I disagree. Murtagh had a will to win attitude at any cost for the sake of his career. I suppose it might be true that Bernie Segal was not MacDonald's best lawyer. He treated the North Carolina lawyers and jury like bumpkins which they were and that might not have been very tactful or diplomatic. There are no first-class trial judges in North Carolina. I think Gary Bostwick was MacDonald's better lawyer and he could speak in plain English. Judge Dupree made the remark once that Segal was the only lawyer he knew who would take three days to litigate an uncontested divorce case.

There is a bit about all this in a website by Bill James who is not convinced MacDonald is innocent, unlike me. but he does write sense about the MacDonald case :

"Morris argues that the judge in the case, Franklin Dupree (formerly of the law firm You, Me and Dupree) was biased against MacDonald, ruled repeatedly against him, and blocked all of his appeals. In fact, Morris argues implicitly, the judge was really the only person in the case who was fully convinced of MacDonald’s guilt; the prosecutors were, in their minds, doing the best they could with the case they had, but they didn’t really know whether he was guilty or not. The judge, on the other hand, was just trying to make sure that this scoundrel got what he deserved. In the index to the book there are 30 pages referenced under Dupree, Franklin T—bias of.

I have no idea whether Judge Dupree was or was not biased, frankly, and I don’t take too seriously Morris’s repeated claims that he was. But again, Morris does have a point here. After MacDonald was convicted, many of his appeals, in one form or another, had to go back through Judge Dupree’s court.

That’s not right, for this reason. Of course the judicial system makes every possible effort to find judges who are able to rise above their assumptions, their biases—but, in the interests of fairness, the system should never assume that the trial judge was unbiased. The system should assume, in the interests of fairness, that there is a possibility that the appellant has been unfairly treated, and should ask someone else to look at all appeals.

I would go further than that: I would ban anyone involved in a prosecution—judges and prosecutors—from playing any role in the case, after the conviction, insofar as it is practical to avoid this. I would prohibit them from commenting on or being involved in appeals. I would prohibit them from appearing before or even from writing to parole boards.

I have often observed, in reading crime books, that the worst injustices occur because police, prosecutors or judges are absolutely convinced that they know what happened when they really don’t."

More hilarity.

You now say:
I disagree. Murtagh had a will to win attitude at any cost for the sake of his career.

So once again you have no evidence that Murtagh pressured the lab technicians or cheated with the DNA. Still mere assertion and fantasy.

And of course another soupcon of your contempt. So the North Carolina Lawyers and the Jurors were "bumpkins". No doubt because they didn't buy MacDonald's lies. All very tiresome. And again another un-evidenced piece of fantasy bile from you.

As for no First Class Trial Judges. Again a fantasy assertion. Isn't amazing how much the Appeal Courts and Supreme Court don't agree. But then your tactic is to engage in ad hominem smears.

As for Bill James. He really doesn't help your case you know.
 
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As for no First Class Trial Judges. Again a fantasy assertion. Isn't amazing how much the Appeal Courts and Supreme Court don't agree.

The Appeal Curt judges were mostly North Carolina judges who were pals of Judge Dupree and in bed with the prosecution. The Supreme Court justices have nobody there with wide and practical experience of being a criminal defense attorney and they were never unanimous in their verdicts in the MacDonald case. MacDonald wanted the case to go to Congress which I suppose will never happen or achieve a correct result.

There is a sensible website about the MacDonald case from 2019 from of all places Indonesia :

https://thenativeenglishteacher.wordpress.com/2019/03/18/the-macdonald-murders-of-1970/

I think he is being sarcastic here:

"The prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt based on the physical evidence which included a blood chart, the pyjama top, the copy of Esquire magazine featuring a Manson murder article, how the attack weapons of the ice pick, knives and block of wood had come from the Macdonald house and how Mr. Macdonald’s use of a diet pill called Eskatrol could have induced his psychopathic acts."
 
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The Appeal Curt judges were mostly North Carolina judges who were pals of Judge Dupree and in bed with the prosecution. The Supreme Court justices have nobody there with wide and practical experience of being a criminal defense attorney and they were never unanimous in their verdicts in the MacDonald case. MacDonald wanted the case to go to Congress which I suppose will never happen or achieve a correct result.

There is a sensible website about the MacDonald case from 2019 from of all places Indonesia :

https://thenativeenglishteacher.wordpress.com/2019/03/18/the-macdonald-murders-of-1970/

I think he is being sarcastic here:

"The prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt based on the physical evidence which included a blood chart, the pyjama top, the copy of Esquire magazine featuring a Manson murder article, how the attack weapons of the ice pick, knives and block of wood had come from the Macdonald house and how Mr. Macdonald’s use of a diet pill called Eskatrol could have induced his psychopathic acts."

Henri keep it up! you are hilarious!!

You can keep fantasizing about Dupree and the other Judges being in bed with the prosecution all you like. It is still fantasy. And I note that he issue the Judges were most divided about was the speedy trial issue and other fairly technical issues involving the case. In the end it was all for naught for McDonald.

As for the website you linked to it along with the quote you copied are very funny. The quality of this persons research is indicated by the Eskatrol comment. If he had done any real research he would have found out that this was never part of the prosecution's case but a theory proposed by McGinnis in his book years after the trial and the Supreme Court Appeal.

This person doesn't seem to know the difference between a blood chart and blood patterns. It wasn't a "block" of wood and it indisputably came from MacDonald's dwelling. I could go on.

From the same website comes these gems "proving" there were intruders.

Sighting of the two blue cars, the Corsair and the Ford Mustang

Snicker! These cars are so rare and why would anyone be using them at night. Whatever.

Helena’s interest in witchcraft

Wow!! How utterly brainless.

‘Pig’ was one of Helena’s favourite words

Is this person serious!! It helps to prove that Helena was one of the intruders thaty she said "pig" a lot????!!!

She used candles, the wax of which did not match to the candles kept at the Macdonald house

If they didn't match the candles in the MacDonald home how does that "prove" she was there? This person seems confused.

Macdonald could describe four intruders who could be identified

Even funnier. MacDonald's description matched the New York 4, he had met at his brother's place months earlier exactly. They were never in the MacDonald residence further over time certain elements of his descriptions of them changed over time apparently to match Helena et al.

Helena was out all night with no alibi between midnight and 4.30am

Helena was a very heavy alcoholic and drug user and to put it bluntly really didn't know what happened to her in that time period. Which is why she change from being there, not being there, to so drugged out she had no idea over the years.

The girl with the floppy hat, Helena, was seen by an eye witness, MP Kenneth Vica, on the way to the Macdonald at 3.55am

This is a can of worms and very dubious to begin with. A girl with a floppy hat was seen it is not clear it was Helena. And lots of women at the time wore floppy hats.

The phone call Helena took from Jimmy Friar at the house at 2am

Almost certainly this never happened. And of course it was "remembered" 10 years after the murders. Very dubious.

The wreaths she placed in and around her house and the clothes she wore, the way she behaved on the day of the Macdonald funerals

Aside from the changing stories about how Helena behaved at this time over the years. This is evidence she was an intruder?! This is laughable.

Her confessions to numerous people from almost the day it happened including a police officer, a law clerk and an attorney appointed to represent her as a material witness at the 1979 trial

Helena also at the time of the murders denied she was there, and also said she was too stoned to remember anything. Along with saying she was there this was the pattern for the rest of her life. Helena is a text book example of the unreliable witness.

Neighbour sightings of other unusual activity in the early hours

Again the point? Not one of these Neighbours saw intruders enter the MacDonald residence.

If this is the best evidence of intruders it is a truly pathetic list of "evidence". I note that the person did not deal with the total lack of evidence at the crime scene of intruders.

Further bits of silliness in the article include. The writer asserts that at the article 32 hearing Bernie, (MacDonald's Lawyer at the time.), MacDonald was cleared of all charges. He was not "cleared". Then there is the nonsense about Helena should have been offered immunity from prosecution. Guy Helena was a Defence witness why would she be offered immunity by the Prosecution? Further has indicated above Helena's testimony in this matter was bluntly close to worthless, so why would any lawyer even suggest this?

The article is filled with a even more of a mess of nonsense, error and absurdity.

Another near worthless article about the MacDonald case.
 
Helena was a Defence witness why would she be offered immunity by the Prosecution? Further has indicated above Helena's testimony in this matter was bluntly close to worthless, so why would any lawyer even suggest this?

The article is filled with a even more of a mess of nonsense, error and absurdity.

Another near worthless article about the MacDonald case.

Nobody has denied that Helena was a bad character maddened by drink and drugs or that James Friar was probably suffering from some kind of mental illness when he made his wrong number phoning the MacDonald residence at the time the MacDonald family were being bludgeoned. That does not mean they have to be disregarded as witnesses which happened in the MacDonald case even though I am not a lawyer. Offcer Gaddis still thinks Helena Stoeckley was as guilty as hell and he was a front line police officer. Detective Beasley thought Helena was his most reliable informant so I can't quite see how this makes her an unreliable witness.

The trouble is that these North Carolina judges and courts are incapable of being fair and just like the israeli courts or Chinese and Taliban and Brazil and Myanmar and some African terrorist courts. It could be because these places have gone dangerously right-wing. Mainly, however, this new attitude is due to realisation that the theory of the perfection of English Justice is humbug. As for the police, in private they make no pretence of observing the rules which are supposed to bind them. Something needs to be done about this.
 
Almost certainly this never happened. And of course it was "remembered" 10 years after the murders. Very dubious.

I remember somebody once posted to a MacDonald forum that he had come across James Friar once working in a bar in California. He must be getting on a bit in years now if not deceased.

There is a surprisingly reasonable affidavit by FBI man Madden whose job it was to disregard suspects and witnesses. Apparently Friar was in the Special Forces in Vietnam and he was later convicted and imprisoned for some felony offenses like mail fraud. He was never accused of suffering from mental illness but perhaps some form of epilepsy. Murtagh said that MacDonald lawyer Wade Smith declined to have him as a witness in case he was brought to court in chains, which was very convenient for Murtagh and a mistake by Wade Smith. The jury and appeal court judges should have been informed.

Personally, I believe Friar's story about a wrong number to the MacDonald residence at the time of the MacDonald murders and that Friar suffered the same sort of fate as Assange for being a whistleblower in the case :

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_macdonald/affidavits/1984-07-12_EDNC_fbi_aff05_madden.html
 
Why would anyone care what a baseball commentator says? Especially given his history.

Bill James made some sensible comments about the MacDonald case even though I don't agree with everything he wrote:

"This "blood story" is the essential evidence against MacDonald; it was this whose-blood-is-where stuff that was the structure and substance of the case against him. Joe McGinniss in Fatal Vision spends tens of thousands of words. .. it seemed to me hundreds of pages. . .going over this evidence again, and again.

And again, and again.

And again.

That was what I hated about McGinniss’ book, actually; he "analyzes" the blood evidence in minute detail, repeatedly, and I couldn’t make head nor tail out of what he was talking about it. It was total gibberish to me."
 
Christina's Website is under construction. If you go to this link and scroll to the bottom you will see. https://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/

In 2004 I started my website with the help of the an individual who I thought was a friend. Without this individual this website may never have been started. However, it may well have been better if it had never been started. (The individual will now be referred to as the ever-ready bunny)

For the first year and a half things ran fairly smooth until the ever-ready bunny wanted to tell me what and when to put up documents and it ended with the every-ready bunny trying to take over. Problem for her, I was the one with the records. In the beginning, I would scan the documents, and send them to her and she would prepare them and put them on the website. It was then that she started making copies of the documents and stacking them so she could start another site. Again she started going to Pacer and getting copies of documents and what she could get from there, which is quite a bit. But the old records, things not available on pacer I had and our family had the pictures. Things sent to Freddy and Mildred Kassab addressed to their home.

Can you imagine the every-ready bunny even copied and put up on her site the note Joe McGinniss sent to Freddy when he was dying? Even the grandfather of the year award Freddy won. What kind of a person is this? She copied some of our pictures as well.

There was a time and I still have copies of posts when she would tell me, "you need to take your medicine." Mean and nasty things that has hurt our family very much. And Bob is just heart broken over what has transpired. Bob wants so much to have his sister and two children remembered. This is our family, please be respectful and let us manage our family's business.

Why does she want so bad to be a part of this by starting her own websites, lifting things from our website and claiming them as hers. If she only knew the hurt and pain this tragedy has caused our family. And then have the audacity to tell me, "you don't own the records." I never said I did, but I paid for them and she just took copies without permission. Like plagiarism, and to me that is stealing. She took material from our family's website to accomplish it.

The every-ready bunny did her last website to show me that she can do what she wants to do. Well now it's time for me to show her what our family can do.

After she got her last site up, several people asked her about the site and she denied owning it. Then very quietly some months back, a duplicate of her website showed up on the Just the Facts website. Now that he allowed this to occur, he becomes a part of this mess.

Anyone is free to have a website, but this is about our family and we would rather they did not have a website on our family especially when we have one already. And, how many sites does she need? She has 5 difference websites about MacDonald. It's like she is obsessed with him.

The Crime Archives website was for sale for quite sometime before she bought it. Obviously the other cases on the site were done. While she has followed the style with the 2 sites she put up, The Jeffrey MacDonald case and the OJ Simpson case, none can compare with the Jeffrey MacDonald case. It looks totally out of place.

I sent the every-ready bunny and her husband a letter, hoping she would reach out and we could talk about it like civilized people and come to some sort of solution. No reply.

Bob's condition is not good, and I want to guard him as much as I can and also to show him that I am fighting to get our website back. This is our family, not hers.

So, in the meantime our website will remain, but the website will be under construction until we decide how to go forth.

Thank you for listening, and please remember our family in your prayers.

Any comments can be sent to cmasewicz1@aol.com
 
Nobody cares. What can you do about it?

Many people seem to think that it is dangerous to criticise judges, magistrates or police. Without public criticism institutions, however excellent, become unhealthy and decay. Even if it was desirable to do so, however, it is impossible to hush things up.
 

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