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Cont: Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did. Part II

Thanks, but you already answered that question about how long it took for them to come forward.

The question before you now is "how credible are recollections a decade old"?

You haven't answered that one.

Hank

The thing is there were at least three witnesses who had the same memory of MacDonald case incidents with the foreman of the jury. I have several recollections of a decade ago which are still clear in my memory:

https://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/dclr_rklein_1988-09-19.html

https://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/dclr_eblack_1988-09-09.html
 
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One other interesting memory with regard to Greg Mitchell:

https://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/dclr_bkoppert_1988-09-19.html
Outside of Helena Stoeckley's concocted intruder narratives, there is nothing that links Greg Mitchell to this horrific crime. I realize that you're fully aware of the following facts, but since you are the King of Repetition...

1) in 1971, Mitchell was interviewed by the CID, he denied having any involvement in this crime, and he passed a CID administered polygraph. That polygraph was administered by CID Hall of Famer Robert Brisentine.

2) Mitchell also provided the CID with finger/palm print exemplars. None of Mitchell's prints were found at the crime scene.

3) Mitchell also provided the CID with head hair exemplars. None of Mitchell's head hairs were found at the crime scene.

4) In 1981, Mitchell was interviewed by the FBI, and he denied having any involvement in this crime.

5) In 2006, none of the 29 DNA exhibits tested by the AFIP matched Mitchell's DNA profile.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
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4) In 1981, Mitchell was interviewed by the FBI, and he denied having any involvement in this crime.

5) In 2006, none of the 29 DNA exhibits tested by the AFIP matched Mitchell's DNA profile.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

I don't think that proves anything. Most murderers categorically deny their crimes and even sometimes no comment. The surgical glove fragment at the crime scene was never DNA tested for a start which could be interesting information with modern DNA technology. That is unless Murtagh and Bruce and the FBI lab dishonestly substituted the surgical glove fragment for another. Corruption is very difficult to detect and that applies to the MacDonald case.

The evidence against MacDonald is as vexed Judge Dupree once said at the trial: "the number of times I have heard old Stombaugh only said it could be" which is quite ludicrously unsatisfactory evidence.
 
I don't think that proves anything. Most murderers categorically deny their crimes and even sometimes no comment. The surgical glove fragment at the crime scene was never DNA tested for a start which could be interesting information with modern DNA technology. That is unless Murtagh and Bruce and the FBI lab dishonestly substituted the surgical glove fragment for another. Corruption is very difficult to detect and that applies to the MacDonald case.

The evidence against MacDonald is as vexed Judge Dupree once said at the trial: "the number of times I have heard old Stombaugh only said it could be" which is quite ludicrously unsatisfactory evidence.
It proves that Mitchell never stepped foot inside 544 Castle Drive. The rest of your post doesn't merit a response.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
There was a similar miscarriage of justice case to the MacDonald case featured on that Medical Detectives show. A man called Camm was imprisoned for twelve years before they found the DNA of the real culprit at the crime scene. That was a serious matter for him and even no joke. The prosecution then tried to speculate there was collaboration to keep him in prison which was ridiculous.

https://www.groundreport.com/the-david-camm-case-an-american-miscarriage-of-justice/

"Even though the Indiana State Police had a blood spatter expert available, Sergeant Dean Marks, they decided to spend nearly $300,000 on Stites and Englert. Rod Englert is best known for his bitter feud with the acknowledged foremost expert in the field, Dr. Herbert MacDonell. According to court documents from a defamation suit filed by Englert, MacDonell had called Englert a “forensic whore” and a “liar-for-hire”. Stites had no experience in crime scene analysis at the time of the murder and seriously misrepresented his educational background in sworn testimony during the first trial.

The first jury was also evidently heavily influenced by the testimony of several women who had had extra-marital affairs with David. This type of testimony can be powerful stuff in the Bible belt but an appellate court ruled it was irrelevant and found it the basis for overturning the first conviction."
 
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There was a similar miscarriage of justice case to the MacDonald case featured on that Medical Detectives show. A man called Camm was imprisoned for twelve years before they found the DNA of the real culprit at the crime scene. That was a serious matter for him and even no joke. The prosecution then tried to speculate there was collaboration to keep him in prison which was ridiculous.

https://www.groundreport.com/the-david-camm-case-an-american-miscarriage-of-justice/

"Even though the Indiana State Police had a blood spatter expert available, Sergeant Dean Marks, they decided to spend nearly $300,000 on Stites and Englert. Rod Englert is best known for his bitter feud with the acknowledged foremost expert in the field, Dr. Herbert MacDonell. According to court documents from a defamation suit filed by Englert, MacDonell had called Englert a “forensic whore” and a “liar-for-hire”. Stites had no experience in crime scene analysis at the time of the murder and seriously misrepresented his educational background in sworn testimony during the first trial.

The first jury was also evidently heavily influenced by the testimony of several women who had had extra-marital affairs with David. This type of testimony can be powerful stuff in the Bible belt but an appellate court ruled it was irrelevant and found it the basis for overturning the first conviction."
Jeffrey MacDonald's DNA profile matched a body hair found on Kristen's bed, a body hair on the rumpled bedspread found in the master bedroom, and a limb hair found clutched in Colette's left hand. The two body hairs were not considered inculpatory due to the fact that both hairs were naturally shed. The condition of the limb hair, however, inculpated MacDonald in the murder of his wife. The hair was bloody, broken, and located next to a splinter from the club. Prior to DNA testing in this case, MacDonald advocates argued that the presence of a splinter in Colette's left hand indicated that the source of the limb hair was the wielder of the club. Considering that the left sleeve of MacDonald's pajama top was torn down to the cuff, one could argue that Colette used her left hand to rip a hair from her husband's exposed left arm.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/dna_evidence.html
 
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J. The condition of the limb hair, however, inculpated MacDonald in the murder of his wife. The hair was bloody, broken, and located next to a splinter from the club. Prior to DNA testing in this case, MacDonald advocates argued that the presence of a splinter in Colette's left hand indicated that the source of the limb hair was the wielder of the club. Considering that the left sleeve of MacDonald's pajama top was torn down to the cuff, one could argue that Colette used her left hand to rip a hair from her husband's exposed left arm.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/dna_evidence.html

There were doubts and misgivings about that hair in Colette's left hand from the start . Then magically in 2006 the DNA test said it was a MacDonald hair. Personally, I believe it was a fraud by Murtagh and his liars for hire and forensic whores to prevent MacDonald from ever winning an appeal. The North Carolina judges were and are in bed with the prosecution.

There is a bit about this matter at this website:

https://koehlerlaw.net/2010/05/on-michael-malone-and-the-jeffrey-macdonald-case/
 
From that website which indicates the author has a low opinion of the forensic scientists in the MacDonald case. It's illegal to substitute forensic evidence for analysis:

"Failing this latter suggestion, you might as well name the facility after Michael P. Malone instead. The failure to ever hold Malone accountable for the injuries he inflicted on Donald Gates, Jeffrey MacDonald and others makes Malone the winner and all the rest of us the losers in this whole sordid mess. A government laboratory dedicated to Malone would be a fitting memorial to this legacy."
 
The gospel according to Encyclopaedia Moronica

More fake news posted by the resident regurgitator!

You’re lucky nobody gives a rats about your “opinion” otherwise you’d be drowning in defamation proceedings.

He’s still guilty and in his cage where he belongs!
 
I still think MacDonald was tricked into that April 1970 interview by the Army CID on the pretext that they were going to return some of his private property. It's true that he was informed of his Miranda rights and that he could have a lawyer with him, but I believe he was a novice with regard to legal work and that he didn't fully appreciate that he was under suspicion and had to be careful what he said. None of it proved he did it anyway.

It looks as though somebody has now suggested improvements with regard to the Army CID:

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-civilian-cid-fort-hood/
 
I still think MacDonald was tricked into that April 1970 interview by the Army CID on the pretext that they were going to return some of his private property. It's true that he was informed of his Miranda rights and that he could have a lawyer with him, but I believe he was a novice with regard to legal work and that he didn't fully appreciate that he was under suspicion and had to be careful what he said. None of it proved he did it anyway.

It looks as though somebody has now suggested improvements with regard to the Army CID:

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-civilian-cid-fort-hood/

roflamo! You do realize how ridiculous your posts are right henri? you just post this nonsensical, discredited, immaterial rubbish to wind people up!

perhaps you can grasp this one concept....even if inmate had been a victim rather than the murderer he would STILL have had to participate in an interview with the CID. Also, not meeting with the investigators would have waived the red flag even higher and faster than his ridiculous claims to the CID did.....

...and, let us not forget about how he showed his consciousness of guilt by first agreeing to take the polygraph and then calling and withdrawing from the appointment so quickly. He knew he would not pass....
 
...and, let us not forget about how he showed his consciousness of guilt by first agreeing to take the polygraph and then calling and withdrawing from the appointment so quickly. He knew he would not pass....

MacDonald was sensible in refusing to take a polygraph test at first. Polygraphs are not regarded as evidence in the UK and in federal courts in America. The matter was never mentioned at the 1979 trial but may have been touched upon by the Nazi prosecutors at the grand jury in 1974/5. At the McGinniss trial in 1987 MacDonald lawyer Gary Bostwick quite rightly suggested that head injuries which MacDonald was still suffering from can affect polygraph results:

https://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/1-backster_1987.html
 
This is a quote about polygraphs from that 1987 McGinniss case:

C R O S S - E X A M I N A T I O N

BY MR. BOSTWICK:
Q Mr. Backster, the polygraph instrument is not an infallible device for telling truth and falsity; is it?
A No, it is not.
Q And sometimes when people are telling the truth, it indicates that they are being deceptive; does it not?
A On issues that are not intense, I would say that there is a possibility certainly of that happening.
Q And in fact the accuracy rate in terms of whether a lie detector test can tell whether someone is lying or not varies between maybe 70 to 90 percent; isn't that correct?
A The figures you're mentioning relate to laboratory studies, not field studies.
Q But isn't it correct?
A That laboratory studies do show, or that it could be as low as 70 percent or as high as 90 percent, yes, that's correct.
Q And that you have no way, as a polygrapher, of telling when the error occurs or doesn't occur; isn't that correct also?
A We can work on probability, and there is a scale to tell you the probability of your accuracy, depending on the intensity of the case, the adequacy of your case information, and the distinctness of the issue that you're pursuing.
Q Isn't it true that the questionable accuracy of polygraph examinations is one reason that it's not admitted in criminal trials in federal courts?
 
You left out the best bits …..

“The final defense witness Tuesday was polygraph expert Cleve Backster, who testified that MacDonald lied during an April, 1970, polygraph examination when he denied a role in the killings.

MacDonald’s lawyers had hired Backster to perform the test.

“I told him that in my opinion, he was being deceptive on that--questions relating to the crime,” Backster said. “I told him I could not be of help to him because he had failed his polygraph.”

As usual, the regurgitator is misleading with deliberately ignoring the actual facts of this case.

Still in a cage, still guilty!
 
“I told him that in my opinion, he was being deceptive on that--questions relating to the crime,” Backster said. “I told him I could not be of help to him because he had failed his polygraph.”

As usual, the regurgitator is misleading with deliberately ignoring the actual facts of this case.

Still in a cage, still guilty!

That is obviously unfair. In the JonBenet case Lin Wood, the Ramsey lawyer, refused to allow the FBI to polygraph the Ramseys on the grounds that the FBI were biased. Patsy Ramsey had previously said she was willing to take any polygraph. A suitable polygrapher was later found and the Ramseys passed that. As I understand it, MacDonald passed another polygraph later on after he had mostly recovered from his head injuries and emotional tension.

The matter was discussed during the cross-examination of Backster at the McGinniss trial in 1987:

Q Have you attached a polygraph machine to plants?
A Yes. In fact, yes. That's a short answer.
Q Do plants tell the truth or lie?
A That hasn't been my area of inquiry.
Q What have you been inquiring into?
A Well, in attaching one third of the polygraph, actually the galvanic skin response, to a plant leaf, I found over the years that I have been interested in that, that the plant would seem to be showing electrical responses that related to the emotions of the people in the area. And this is a completely new area in science; and it's been explored quite nicely before lectures -- before about 30 different universities and honor societies of science; and I've traveled all over the world talking about it.
Q Now, did you talk to Dr. MacDonald about that on the occasion that you examined him?
A No. I didn't talk to him, but he made an interesting comment about it just before his examination.
Q What was the interesting comment?
A The comment was something about the fact that I'm the person that was testing plants. This struck me as being unusual.
 
Selective & misleading editing

What a shame you didn’t have the guts to post the entire transcript of this testimony, instead of a small segment about the Johnny Carson show.

Still guilty & in his cage!
 
What a shame you didn’t have the guts to post the entire transcript of this testimony, instead of a small segment about the Johnny Carson show.

Still guilty & in his cage!

I have the guts to post the entire transcript of this testimony. It's just I might get suspended or banned because short paragraphs or tweet soundbites are required.

You can't deny that people have been wrongly convicted for murder in the past by judges and juries or that there have been miscarriages of justice like the Hillsborough football disaster. Just saying a jury convicted MacDonald is not good enough because juries are very likely to be wrong and the foreman of the jury said he was going to convict the hell out of MacDonald before the trial even started.

The real culprits committed the perfect murders. They were able to swing the blame on to an innocent man just because they believed the police to be dishonest. Something needs to be done about this. Not every verdict is wrong, but mistakes are made and crimes in wars. The police are apt to jump to conclusions and not bother with investigating.

This is more of that transcript. It's a joke:

BY MR. BOSTWICK:
Q And have you appeared on the Johnny Carson Show on some occasions, talking about attaching polygraph machines to plants?
A Only one taping of Johnny Carson which was, I believe, reshown because it had Raquel Welch on it, not because I was on it.
Q And did the plants react to Raquel Welch on the show?
A No. I know a number of people who did, but I don't know whether the plants did.
Q Could you look at Page 619 of Exhibit 402, that's the book?
A Yes.
Q What he's saying here about -- in the first full paragraph on Page 619, about the fact that you polygraph plants, and being on the Johnny Carson Show; that's true, isn't it? Essentially?
A Well, where is the part about Johnny Carson?
Q The first full paragraph on Page 619.
A 619. Okay. Well, he says "He's on the Johnny Carson Show all the time." That is not true.
Q But it was shown several times; right?
A Once, and once it was repeated, yes.
 
I have the guts to post the entire transcript of this testimony. It's just I might get suspended or banned because short paragraphs or tweet soundbites are required.

You can't deny that people have been wrongly convicted for murder in the past by judges and juries or that there have been miscarriages of justice like the Hillsborough football disaster. Just saying a jury convicted MacDonald is not good enough because juries are very likely to be wrong and the foreman of the jury said he was going to convict the hell out of MacDonald before the trial even started.

The real culprits committed the perfect murders. They were able to swing the blame on to an innocent man just because they believed the police to be dishonest. Something needs to be done about this. Not every verdict is wrong, but mistakes are made and crimes in wars. The police are apt to jump to conclusions and not bother with investigating.

This is more of that transcript. It's a joke:

BY MR. BOSTWICK:
Q And have you appeared on the Johnny Carson Show on some occasions, talking about attaching polygraph machines to plants?
A Only one taping of Johnny Carson which was, I believe, reshown because it had Raquel Welch on it, not because I was on it.
Q And did the plants react to Raquel Welch on the show?
A No. I know a number of people who did, but I don't know whether the plants did.
Q Could you look at Page 619 of Exhibit 402, that's the book?
A Yes.
Q What he's saying here about -- in the first full paragraph on Page 619, about the fact that you polygraph plants, and being on the Johnny Carson Show; that's true, isn't it? Essentially?
A Well, where is the part about Johnny Carson?
Q The first full paragraph on Page 619.
A 619. Okay. Well, he says "He's on the Johnny Carson Show all the time." That is not true.
Q But it was shown several times; right?
A Once, and once it was repeated, yes.
In regards to the polygraph exam administered by Cleve Backster, the only relevant information is as follows.

Polygraph expert John Reid administered a polygraph exam to MacDonald in the spring of 1970. The test results were deemed inconclusive and MacDonald told interviewer Jeffrey Elliott that the results were due to the fact that he was "frantic with worry." Several weeks later, polygraph expert Cleve Backster administered a polygraph exam to MacDonald. Backster concluded that MacDonald had flunked the exam.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
In 1985 Dr.MacDonald was given another polygraph test which he passed:

https://www.karisable.com/mac9.htm

"Dr. Raskin concluded Jeffrey MacDonald was telling the truth when he stated he did not kill his family, and, in fact, MacDonald gave truthful answers to all the questions. Convinced of MacDonald’s innocence, Dr. Raskin arranged for a blind evaluation, with MacDonald’s name hidden, to be performed by different polygraph examiner, from another state. That examiner agreed the answers to all the questions asked were honest."
 
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