Israel steps up enmity towards EU

[Serafim Svensson]

Try telling your football teams that.

I don't think they need to be told. But someone should tell the Asian Football Confederation.

 

[The Fool]

Nothing about Palestine's refusal to concede that Israel is a Jewish state as a starting point for negotiations?

It sounds so innocent doesn't it...."Just agree to accepot that Israel is a jewish state" Is that so hard? There was no problems accepting south africa's right to be a white state.....ooops.


why not phrase it as "we demand you accept our right to classify you lot as second class citizens".....then you may realise why there is some resistance

 

[Thunder]

It sounds so innocent doesn't it...."Just agree to accepot that Israel is a jewish state" Is that so hard? There was no problems accepting south africa's right to be a white state.....ooops.

why not phrase it as "we demand you accept our right to classify you lot as second class citizens".....then you may realise why there is some resistance

do the Palestinians not accept the Islamic Republics of Iran and Afghanistan?

do they not accept the Arab Republics of Egypt, Syria, and Libya?

...this issue, of calling Israel "the Jewish State", is a stupid one.

its not like recognizing this fact will change anything.

 

[lionking]

It sounds so innocent doesn't it...."Just agree to accepot that Israel is a jewish state" Is that so hard? There was no problems accepting south africa's right to be a white state.....ooops.


why not phrase it as "we demand you accept our right to classify you lot as second class citizens".....then you may realise why there is some resistance

Ignoring this poor analogy, accepting Israel as a Jewish state is akin to accepting the UK as a monarchy. It's accepting reality, as Thunder said.

 

[The Fool]

Ignoring this poor analogy, accepting Israel as a Jewish state is akin to accepting the UK as a monarchy. It's accepting reality, as Thunder said.

did you accept South africas right to be a white stste, after all, its just reflecting reality.


Israel has a self percieved need to be discriminatory towards some of its citizens, It also appears to have a desire that the rest of the world will agree they have the right to discriminate against some of thier citizens.



why is this principle so obnoxious all over the world but quite acceptable to you in Israel?

 

[The Fool]

its not like recognizing this fact will change anything.

Lol.....Does israel want to be a modern democracy? Name a modern democracxy that demands the world accept its right to have different classes of citizens, one favoured and another disadvantaged.

a single example will do.....

 

[Thunder]

Lol.....Does israel want to be a modern democracy? Name a modern democracxy that demands the world accept its right to have different classes of citizens, one favoured and another disadvantaged.

a single example will do.....

calling itself "the Jewish state", is irrelevant to the level of discrimination that exists there.

are you bothered by the "Czech Republic"? does this mean that Germans and Slovaks in this land are second-class citizens?

does the "French Republic" automatically discriminate against folks of non-French descent?

Portuguese Republic bothers you?

Italian Republic keeps you awake at night?

these are all the official names of these countries.

......although, if I move to France, I become a French citizen. if I move to the Czech Republic, I become a Czech citizen. if I move to Italy, I become an Italian citizen.

if a non-Jew moves to Israel, do they become a "Jewish citizen"? no..they do not.

this is indeed......a problem.

i guess this would be like Ireland or Italy proclaiming itself "the Catholic Republic of Ireland", or "the Catholic Republic of Italy".

hmmmm....the only way around this is to rename the country "Judea". all citizens will be known as "Judeans", be they Jewish, Muslim, etc etc.

 

[The Fool]

calling itself "the Jewish state", is irrelevant to the level of discrimination that exists there.

are you bothered by the "Czech Republic"? does this mean that Germans and Slovaks in this land are second-class citizens?

does the "French Republic" automatically discriminate against folks of non-French descent?

Portuguese Republic bothers you?

Italian Republic keeps you awake at night?

these are all the official names of these countries.

......although, if I move to France, I become a French citizen. if I move to the Czech Republic, I become a Czech citizen. if I move to Italy, I become an Italian citizen.

if a non-Jew moves to Israel, do they become a "Jewish citizen"? no..they do not.

this is indeed......a problem.

i guess this would be like Ireland or Italy proclaiming itself "the Catholic Republic of Ireland", or "the Catholic Republic of Italy".

hmmmm....the only way around this is to rename the country "Judea". all citizens will be known as "Judeans", be they Jewish, Muslim, etc etc.

Israel can call itself the pink underwear state for all I care...the title "jewish state" is just words....like all the other national titles.... Its the processes that Israel attaches to those words that are what matters.


Name me a single "modern democracy" that has different classes of citizens. Israel needs to drop the stupid idea, drop insisting everyone accept its right to the stupid idea and actually joining the rest of the modern democracies rather than trying to cobble together some Frankenstein like democracy body with a theocracy head.