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Is Marijuana Harmless?

Lonewulf said:
Flashbacks? More like LSD.

I can see why someone might mistake the two, since both were used heavily in the hippy generation.
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I do know the difference between LSD and marijuana. Although I never tried LSD, I used to smoke...marijuana!

But only in the late evening...

(Semi-obscure Steve Martin reference.)
 
Stellafane said:
I do know the difference between LSD and marijuana. Although I never tried LSD, I used to smoke...marijuana!
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Okay, but do you have any studies or anything concrete pointing to Marijuana causing flashbacks? This is honestly the first time I heard about it.
 
arthwollipot said:
Pot may not cause as much lung cancer as topbacco, but it's also been linked to schizophrenia and mental illness.

The problems associated with pot smoking are many.

PS. I spent most of the 90s stoned. It didn't damage my brain in any way, it just made me miss those 10 years.
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How can you tell?
 
Lonewulf said:
Okay, but do you have any studies or anything concrete pointing to Marijuana causing flashbacks? This is honestly the first time I heard about it.
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How about studies showing that LSD causes flashbacks? Seems to me that what is called flashbacks may just result from people being mentally ill or perhaps just from being people.
 
Lonewulf said:
Okay, but do you have any studies or anything concrete pointing to Marijuana causing flashbacks? This is honestly the first time I heard about it.
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Since this is starting to sound like a Cheech and Chong routine ("Dave's not here!) I'll explain the whole flashback thing. (For the record, I'm fully aware that marijuana is not known to cause flashbacks the way LSD is reputed to do.)

In post #89 of this thread, I said the following:

The main thing that concerns me about marijuana usage is that I hear it sometimes induces flashbacks.
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In post #90, which of course immediately follows it, I said this:

The main thing that concerns me about marijuana usage is that I hear it sometimes induces flashbacks...
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Note that the posts are identical, except that the second one ends in three periods instead of one. (This forum doesn't allow word-for-word identical posts, as I discovered.) The reason I did this was for humorous effect -- upon seeing the second post, the reader is supposed to experience a sensation of "flashback." Get it?

I guess this just proves that marijuana isn't harmless. Because it either destroys one's ability to get a simple joke -- or it deludes one into believing that an obscure and unfunny little stunt is actually witty and humorous!
 
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Arise thread of old?

(Anyway, now is a perfect time for me to tell of my MASTER PLAN to legalize pot and make my state a TON of money in taxes)

1) Legalize -state regulated- pot consumption but make it illegal with the same statues as alcohol (no driving, no under 21, no smoking it at work, etc.)

2) It -must- be grown, harvested, and packaged all in our state's borders... perferably by a cigarette company... the companies must be licensed ($1 million a year?) and regulated (all employees go through extensive background checks and licensing... no felons.. the license are all $30 per employee per year, payable to the state).

3) The paper on the cigs will be a different color than white... maybe pink... so that it is easily identified as a pot cigarette by authorities. It's illegal to remove the pot from the cigarette (no blunts or self rolls).

4) Tax the living crap out of the smokes... $20-25 a pack? Who cares? Folks will pay the premium for legal, safe smokes.

5) Set aside 1% of the profits (not the taxes, the profits) for education, rehab, etc. per year.

Oh my god, think of the money to be had! We might even be able to drop state income and lower sales taxes.

And it will probably never, ever happen... but then, we used to say that about casinos. :D
 
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But if were legal, the problem is that it it is so easy to grow your own. A closet, a rooftop, in your backyard, wherever. Get a few big plump seeds somewhere and you are in business.
The difference between the legality of brewing your own beer or wine for your own consumption is that pot is so easy to grow, And you can sex the plants and get sansemillia. It ain't called weed for nothin.
So they could not tax home grown.
 
I smoked pot a handful of times in high school and I can tell you that the only danger in it is that you make an idiot of yourself to any sober person you meet...and the major ass-whooping your mother will give you when she finds out.
 
I have no personal problem with people who want to get stoned at home, so long as they stay at home. But in public, forget it. In my bountiful relevant experience, stoned people, like slosh-stumble drunks, can often be difficult to deal with, and I shouldn't have to put up with that crap.
 
Cuddles said:
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The interesting thing about caffeine is that there is research showing that it does very little to wake you up at all. The ony reason you feel better in the morning after a drink is because is you are suffering from severe withdrawal symptoms. Caffeine is actually one of the most addictive drugs we know of.
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Come on, Cuddles, this is bunk*.

First off, caffeine is a stimulant. Period. There is no maybe.

It's a mild stimulant and affects some more than others so it isn't going to keep someone awake for days on end. And tolerance develops.

It is mildly addicting in that people have headaches and other known withdrawal symptoms. But people who quit do not often relapse and certainly don't have the kind of cravings one has for cigarettes and other truly addicting drugs.


*Note: I'm posting this before reading the other replies so I imagine there are other people who have already pointed this out.
 
Stellafane said:
The main thing that concerns me about marijuana usage is that I hear it sometimes induces flashbacks.
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More nonsense.

Find some evidence of this because I don't believe there is anything in the medical literature about such a thing, nor is there a mechanism of action for this to occur.

*Nevermind, I see Stellafane was joking?
 
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I had flashbacks from almost all of the drugs I tried from prescription medication to household cleaning products to LSD but I'm trying to remember if I ever had one from pot and funny thing, I can't remember! Don't think so, though.

Last time I smoked was years ago. And I only did it four times and two of those times, I felt almost nothing and the last time, my dealer gave me some really weird stuff that was unpleasant when it was anything. I think it was mixed with total junk. Coulda been mixed with rat poison for all I know.

Think I needa refresh my memory ;) . All in the interests of science...:)
 
The closest thing I've ever had to a 'pot flashback' is remembering that I watched an Adam Sandler movie the night before and wondering to myself "How the hell did I find that funny?" It was then that I realised that for somebody like me, pot can be a mind-altering drug, as can any other drug that makes Adam Sandler appear funny.
 
Dogdoctor said:
How about studies showing that LSD causes flashbacks? Seems to me that what is called flashbacks may just result from people being mentally ill or perhaps just from being people.
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There is a reported possibility of "flashbacks", a psychological phenomenon in which an individual experiences an episode of some of LSD's subjective effects long after the drug has worn off — sometimes weeks, months, or even years afterward. Flashbacks can incorporate both positive and negative aspects of LSD trips. Colloquial usage of the term flashback refers to any experience reminiscent of LSD effects, with the typical connotation that the episodes are of short duration. However, psychiatry recognizes a disorder in which LSD-like effects are persistent and cause clinically significant impairment or distress. This syndrome is called Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (HPPD), a DSM-IV diagnosis. Several scientific journal articles have described the disorder.
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From wikipedia.

They cite Pubmed.

To cite the abstract of the article:

The continued endemic use of hallucinogenic drugs, and of LSD in particular, raises concern regarding their short and long term adverse consequences. The epidemiology of LSD abuse is reviewed suggesting an increase in LSD use among the young as the prevalence rates for other substances continues to fall. Evidence supports the association of LSD use with panic reactions, prolonged schizoaffective psychoses and post-hallucinogen perceptual disorder, the latter being present continually for as long as 5 years. Evidence does not support claims of genetic disorders arising from hallucinogens. In light of the foregoing, current data confirm earlier findings of long lasting psychopathology arising in vulnerable individuals from the use of LSD. A hypothetical long term molecular mechanism of adverse effects is proposed.
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There does seem to be some controversy over the definition "flashbacks", which makes studies relatively difficult. But that does not negate the occurance of HPPD.


thisninjaiscrazy said:
The closest thing I've ever had to a 'pot flashback' is remembering that I watched an Adam Sandler movie the night before and wondering to myself "How the hell did I find that funny?" It was then that I realised that for somebody like me, pot can be a mind-altering drug, as can any other drug that makes Adam Sandler appear funny.
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This statement has encouraged me to be drug free. I thank you, good sir.
 
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