Is Islam an evil religion?

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Bill Thompson said:
Yeah, that is a choice. No one is born wanting to hurt children. Being a rapist is also a choice. No one is born wanting to hurt women.

Those are different things.
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I assumed pedophiles are people who are sexually attracted to children, usually from sexual experiences they had as children. This whole line of analogy seems silly. How can sexuality be a choice, other than resisting urges or indulging urges?
 
Bad Lieutenant said:
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Iran is the only real Islamic theocracy I'm aware of and so it carries the heaviest messages.
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Only among those Shia who accept the message. And even other Shia "big gun scholars" like Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani disagree strongly with the "messages" coming out of Iran (al-Sistani especially doesn't like Iran's entire theocratic ruling principle of vilayat-e-faqih).

Do you know of any busy Sunni Fora?
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Sheykh al-Qaradawi's IslamOnline.net, though be aware that it's basically by and for his followers, and al-Qaradawi has often been criticized by a number of other Sunni scholars.

The only busy English language board I found was Shiachat IIRC so judging that a valid source of heavily revised scholarly opinion seemed fair.
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Again, only for a subset of Shias. You've done the equivalent of visiting, say, the Rapture Ready forums and then thinking they're a valid source for what Christianity as a whole teaches.

Also, the Shias believe their leaders have contact with the hidden imam through dreams which enables them to revise scripture,
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Are you referring to Ismai'li batin?

whereas the Sunnis are more koranic literalists stuck in the stone age, to use popular vernacular.
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No, only the modern Sunni Salafiyya movement is this way. Non-Salafi Sunni Islam is heavily reliant on a canon of scholarship built up over centuries of discussion by a variety of schools of jurisprudence (at one point, there were almost 150 separate schools, though now there are only four main ones).

As Dr. El-Fadl notes, the problem with the Salafi/Wahhabi movement (which he labels the "puritan" movement) is the rejection of this long heritage of scholarly canon in favor of Qur'anic "literalism".

Shia Islam is more powerful than Sunni Islam.
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"Powerful" in what sense?
 
ANTPogo said:
Sheykh al-Qaradawi's IslamOnline.net, though be aware that it's basically by and for his followers, and al-Qaradawi has often been criticized by a number of other Sunni scholars.
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It's not in English for my browser. Good effort mind.
 
Halfcentaur said:
.... This whole line of analogy seems silly...
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It is just a way people here are avoiding the real questions or avoiding admitting they made logical errors.

Would you call abolitionists slaverphobics?

Would you call abolitionists slavery bigots?

I find it interesting how the Democrats supported the institution of slavery in those days and thought the Republicans were out-of-line in trying to remove the practice from the face of the earth.

Foster, you never answered my question. Do you think anyone who is against islam is automatically somehow a right-wing hypocrite?
 
Foster Zygote said:
Actually, I did. Some eight days ago, in fact.
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"The answer is no, I do not assume that anyone who is critical of Islam is a right-wing hypocrite. In fact, I myself am quite critical of Islam, as I am with virtually all religions. I'm not sure where this right-wing hypocrite tangent is coming from, but it is curious to me that it seems to have grown out of me quoting your own words, 'only the inbred appalachian genetic throw-backs interpret the Bible literally and they lack the opposable thumbs and/or higher brain functions to hold and/or make use of a weapon anyway'. "
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Do you know what I was referring to when I was talking about appalachians? Do you know what context that was in and why that is important?

If you do not assume that people who are critical of Islam are right wing hyprocrites, why do you assume I am a right wing hyprocrite?
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I find it interesting how the Democrats supported the institution of slavery in those days and thought the Republicans were out-of-line in trying to remove the practice from the face of the earth.
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Well if you ever get into a time machine and find yourself back in 1860, you should make sure you vote Republican.
 
Bill Thompson said:
If you do not assume that people who are critical of Islam are right wing hyprocrites, why do you assume I am a right wing hyprocrite?
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simple.
not all people that are critical of islam are right-wing hypocrites.
however, your continued posting places you in 'other'.
your anti-islamic posting is difficult to distinguish from 'right-wing hypocrisy.
the assumption, then is natural.
 
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bikerdruid said:
simple.
not all people that are critical of islam are right-wing hypocrites.
however, your continued posting does not place you in their ranks, by your own statements..
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What the are you talking about?

Wait. You are responding to someone elses questions? Are you lonely?

So, what postings are you talking about? Are they real ones you can show me or imaginary ones you cannot?

Since I have had Muslim friends, I bet they are imaginary ones.

BikerDruid, was Harvey Milk a bigot for being against the Christian Gay Bashers?
 
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Bad Lieutenant said:
I though homophobia was fear of homosexuality, not homosexuals. If somebody, like me, who was also homophobic, thought that were the case then exposure (snigger) to homosexuals would be insufficient to banish the phobia - they'd need exposure to homosexuality, not homosexuals.

A rigorous definition of homophobia does not seem to be available, nor, OT, is that the case for Islamophobia. Also, why isn't it called Islamphobia? :boxedin:
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This does not make any sense on so many levels.

"Homo" means "same". Homosexual means "same sex". The word "homophobia" does not really make any sense because it means "fear of self".

But, stupid people invented the word "homophobia" to mean something and no one knows what I guess. It is a meaningless word.

If you either fear homosexuals or homosexuality then it is a safe bet that you are homosexual or fear becoming one. Either way it is irrational and does not make any sense. There is nothing to fear about being a homosexual. There is nothing really "unnatural" about it because "unnatural" is another meaningless word.

Everything is in Nature. If something exists, it is natural.

So anyway, your post does not make any sense at all on many levels.
 
bikerdruid said:
no.
however, the christian gay bashers were a vocal minority, as are islamic extremists.
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Interesting. Now we are getting somewhere.

The official word of Islam comes from a number of official sources. Many of these official sources, like the leaders in Iran, see nothing wrong with hanging innocent gay men in public just for being gay and for no other reason.

Your comment that the "islamic extremists" do not speak for Islam is untrue. What you would like to call "islamic extremists" are the leadership of Islam in much of the world and you would consider to be politically incorrect on a number of important issues such as gay rights, women's rights, and the rights of children.
 
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