I told you so 6 years ago

[Leumas]

I guess I'm not sure what you are conveying?

Yes you are!!!

It seems like you are presenting a post from 6 years ago as being prophetic, somehow? I mean, I don't think your post was a revelation of any sort. I think we all know that the right is not fond of abortion

Hahahaha.... wow... could you keep listing the rest of the litany... I am sure you are very familiar with it... why stop at that one... it sure is not the only one you have already checked off.

It seems like you are presenting a post from 6 years ago as being prophetic, somehow? I mean, I don't think your post was a revelation of any sort. I think we all know that the right is not fond of abortion.

Hahaha... that would be the word used by the cult on whose behalf you are doing all this apologetics .... but in rational spheres it is called deducing the outcome of all the machinations and plotting and the legislative nefarious game that was being perpetrated at the level of the SEVEN MOUNTAINS OF POWER.

As far as the specific references in your post, they seem to be targeted at some rather extreme positions that do not necessarily reflect the views of conservative Christians, in general.

I am sure you know that this is what goes on and your statement denying it is dissimulation.

I don't see where you have tied these thoughts and ideas directly into the latest rulings of the scotus. They sound more like conspiracy theory to me, and a general disdain for the Christian right.

Excuse me if I do not take your assertions seriously ... you know that they are not true... especially while you are doing apologetics for a cult whose hero is one who pretends to be all things to all people (1 Corinthians 9:19-23) in order to become a wily fisher of men (Matthew 4:19) and uses crafty guile to catch people (2 Corinthians 12:16) and whose founding fathers said:

"How it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived." -- Eusebius

"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them." -- Martin Luther

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently than not - struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God" -- Martin Luther

 

[arthwollipot]

We've known about the dangers of dominionism since the publication of The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlett in 2009.

But I'd also like to take another quote out of the thread the OP came from:

.........Now I suddenly get why some atheists are so militant. ...........

Most aren't, of course, and you might find your transition easier if you take a calm and quiet approach to this. Impress people (IRL) with your thoughtfulness on the subject (if it ever arises), rather than with your emotion.

Also, dominionism isn't a mainstream doctrine in most varieties of Christianity. It's a small minority of evangelical fundamentalists.

 

[Susheel]

We've known about the dangers of dominionism since the publication of The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlett in 2009.

But I'd also like to take another quote out of the thread the OP came from:



Also, dominionism isn't a mainstream doctrine in most varieties of Christianity. It's a small minority of evangelical fundamentalists.

The problem is that that "small minority" seems to carry in a disproportionate weight re: administrative policy

 

[arthwollipot]

The problem is that that "small minority" seems to carry in a disproportionate weight re: administrative policy

Yes, because it has been their stated goal to acquire that disproportionate weight for decades now. Acquiring power is literally what they're all about. That's why they're dangerous.

 

[Thor 2]

Also, dominionism isn't a mainstream doctrine in most varieties of Christianity. It's a small minority of evangelical fundamentalists.

But, but, but, Jesus said:

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matt. 28:16–20.)


What do you think he He had in mind?

 

[arthwollipot]

But, but, but, Jesus said:

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matt. 28:16–20.)


What do you think he He had in mind?

He was telling people to convert the people of all nations to Christianity. Dominionists - specifically, those who believe in Kingdom Now theology - believe that the best way to do this is to put their members in positions of secular power. In particular, the "seven mountains" of government, education, media, arts, religion, family and business. This is not mainstream Christian doctrine. But I think you already know this.

 

[Thor 2]

He was telling people to convert the people of all nations to Christianity. Dominionists - specifically, those who believe in Kingdom Now theology - believe that the best way to do this is to put their members in positions of secular power. In particular, the "seven mountains" of government, education, media, arts, religion, family and business. This is not mainstream Christian doctrine. But I think you already know this.

The late Christopher Hitchens, in his book "God is not Great", lists many places in the world where many religions (including various Christian sects), are actively trying to gain secular power for a long time.

One of those places is Ireland where the Catholics were trying to maintain the "No divorce" law (they even brought in the big guns like the lovely Teresa to sway the vote). The move failed however, although only by a very narrow margin.

It is my opinion that they all want to pull others down in the same hole they are in with very few, if any, exceptions. They will all use whatever is available to do this. The reason for this, apart from the directive by Jesus, is to boost the number of folk believing the same tosh they do - thus reinforcing their own belief.

 

[arthwollipot]

Yes, you could say that the Catholic sorry Roman Catholic Church is the biggest dominionist denomination historically, but they have backed down a lot in the last hundred years or so.

But the difference is that while it is true that most religions want to convert as many people as possible, the Protestant evangelical dominionist sects have a specific and deliberate policy of putting their people in positions of secular power. Most religious denominations - at least in modern developed democracies - do not have this specific and deliberate stated goal. At best they have a kind of general trend in that direction. As a result, the dominionist sects accumulate more power and influence than their numbers would otherwise justify.

As Psionl0 will no doubt reiterate, the problem with dominionism here in Australia isn't that great. We had that one guy whose dominionist sentiments were mitigated by the country's overall progressiveness, and who we ultimately got rid of. America is by far where the dominionists have the most influence.

 

[Leumas]

Yes, you could say that the Catholic sorry Roman Catholic Church is the biggest dominionist denomination historically, but they have backed down a lot in the last hundred years or so.

Nope... have you heard of Integralism ... and now allied with Dominionism too.

Do you know how many Roman Catholics are on the SCOTUS???

But the difference is that while it is true that most religions want to convert as many people as possible, the Protestant evangelical dominionist sects have a specific and deliberate policy of putting their people in positions of secular power.

And they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams chiefly due to lack of opposition to their machinations...

Do you know who Ted Cruz is and who is behind him???

Most religious denominations - at least in modern developed democracies - do not have this specific and deliberate stated goal. At best they have a kind of general trend in that direction. As a result, the dominionist sects accumulate more power and influence than their numbers would otherwise justify.

Exactly that is how power works and how the powerful get it....

You being Australian should be able to appreciate this metaphor.... Do you know how many farmers there are... do you how many sheep there are???

As Psionl0 will no doubt reiterate, the problem with dominionism here in Australia isn't that great. We had that one guy whose dominionist sentiments were mitigated by the country's overall progressiveness, and who we ultimately got rid of. America is by far where the dominionists have the most influence.

Yes... and by controlling America they also control Australia and many others... no???

 

[arthwollipot]

Nope... have you heard of Integralism ... and now allied with Dominionism too.

Do you know how many Roman Catholics are on the SCOTUS???

Very true, but this is still a shadow of the power and influence they have had in the past.

And they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams chiefly due to lack of opposition to their machinations...

Do you know who Ted Cruz is and who is behind him???

Yes, and yes.

Exactly that is how power works and how the powerful get it....

You being Australian should be able to appreciate this metaphor.... Do you know how many farmers there are... do you how many sheep there are???

Yes. I'm agreeing with you here, I'm not sure why you're being so confrontational.

Yes... and by controlling America they also control Australia and many others... no???

I'm not sure I'd use the word "control". There have been times when America said "jump" and we did not stop to ask how high, but I don't think we're at America's beck and call. Though in the past I have been roundly scolded for talking about American cultural imperialism, from my perspective we have been becoming more and more culturally similar to America due to the all-pervasiveness of American popular culture in the English speaking world. I'm not saying that that's a good or a bad thing, just that it is definitely a thing that has been happening over the course of my lifetime.

 

[Leumas]

The late Christopher Hitchens, in his book "God is not Great", lists many places in the world where many religions (including various Christian sects), are actively trying to gain secular power for a long time.

One of those places is Ireland where the Catholics were trying to maintain the "No divorce" law (they even brought in the big guns like the lovely Teresa to sway the vote). The move failed however, although only by a very narrow margin.

It is my opinion that they all want to pull others down in the same hole they are in with very few, if any, exceptions. They will all use whatever is available to do this. The reason for this, apart from the directive by Jesus, is to boost the number of folk believing the same tosh they do - thus reinforcing their own belief.

Do not forget that with power they can also precipitate Armageddon more readily... and thus facilitate the rivers of blood red carpet necessary for the return of their zombified human sacrifice.

 

[arthwollipot]

Do not forget that with power they can also precipitate Armageddon more readily... and thus facilitate the rivers of blood red carpet necessary for the return of their zombified human sacrifice.

Sure, but remember that Armageddon is by definition a supernatural event, so it can and will never happen.

 

[Leumas]

The problem is that that "small minority" seems to carry in a disproportionate weight re: administrative policy

Exactly... there are very few farmers and billions of sheep... 6 agents pretending to be judges installed in the right place of power have managed to trump (pun intended) the wishes of 247 million people.

 

[Leumas]

Sure, but remember that Armageddon is by definition a supernatural event, so it can and will never happen.

Yes... we know that... but not the ones trying to make it happen with all the power they can muster.

Sure, but remember that Armageddon is by definition a supernatural event, so it can and will never happen.

Yes... Armageddon will never happen... but WWIII can happen and with those guys machinating and plotting to make Armageddon happen they will cause WWIII to happen instead.

 

[Leumas]

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As far as the specific references in your post, they seem to be targeted at some rather extreme positions that do not necessarily reflect the views of conservative Christians, in general.

I don't see where you have tied these thoughts and ideas directly into the latest rulings of the scotus. They sound more like conspiracy theory to me, and a general disdain for the Christian right.

This lady belies your apologetics.... and so do these powerful agents pretending to be judges.

 

[arthwollipot]

This lady belies your apologetics.... and so do these powerful agents pretending to be judges.

You ought to stop pretending that seven individuals represents a majority. Like I said, these people possess a disproportionate amount of power for being not a majority.

 

[Leumas]

You ought to stop pretending that seven individuals represents a majority. Like I said, these people possess a disproportionate amount of power for being not a majority.

You ought to stop strawmanning and misrepresenting what others say... I did not say anything even close to your misrepresentation... and you know that because I just finished telling you ....

...
You being Australian should be able to appreciate this metaphor.... Do you know how many farmers there are... do you how many sheep there are???

 

[arthwollipot]

As I said, I'm agreeing with you. There's no need to be belligerent.

But the point remains that dominionism is still a minority belief.

 

[Warp12]

This lady belies your apologetics.... and so do these powerful agents pretending to be judges.

I don't think most take Boebert seriously...I certainly don't. I don't personally have an issue with any of the recent rulings by the court, but I understand why some may have concern...within limits. I don't think we are looking at a Christian conspiracy to rule the nation, or world.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I don't think most take Boebert seriously...I certainly don't.

and yet, you think she is more of a true Republican than Cheney or Kitzinger.