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I Am Soul

tkingdoll said:
I am Spartacus.
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arthwollipot said:
No, I am Spartacus!
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In case anyone hasn't seen this:
SparTacus (rulimbaww@3B942731.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) has joined #santcuary
*SparTacus is now known as Betty_Guns
wacko Jacko (lbeedy@1C57684.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) has joined #santcuary
<wacko_Jacko>ok spartacus just came n here i know it. which one of you is that loser?
<hunney> I am spartacus
<ji_pper>no im spartacus
<Betty_Guns>I am spartacus
<mistr andersn>I’m spartacus
<wacko_Jacko>ur all freaks thats what u r
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From bash.org's IRC quote archive (NSFW language).
 
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Are we as a species moving towards the realisation of Soul?
According to many, this is what is occurring. For centuries there has been speculation on this thing called Soul.
Religion has mentioned Soul
Culture has mentioned Soul
Two major houses agree to the existence of Soul.
Science as yet has made no major inroads into proving the existence of Soul.
Should we – believe in this thing called Soul, without the evidence of Science to make those beliefs acceptable?
Rational.
Believable.
Is Soul immeasurable?
It is easy to identify the I AM as a human instrument – the body – because the body is measurable.

Yet it is consciousness which defines. What is the human instrument without consciousness? Is it not consciousness which defines...existence?
Does anything exist without consciousness acknowledging IT?
Therefore – is Consciousness another name for Soul? Or rather, is Consciousness the same thing as Soul?
If so – can science therefore measure It? Communicate with IT.
What is Science but a tool by which humans can explore the physical universe? (Or at least the relative neighbourhood)
It is truth that there are things within this universe which are not physical.
Consciousness is one of those things. Yet when it manifest through form, it can be measured, at least approximately.

As Consciousness is the only thing which recognises Itself and all other things as Itself, it is Consciousness alone which decides What It Is.

It is Consciousness which has chosen to interact with the Quantum and from that interaction, create the density of Matter.

It is Consciousness, full aware of Itself and Its ability, which merges with matter and infuses Itself within every aspect of that matter.

Fragmenting from Its Wholeness.

It is these fragments of Consciousness which decide to forget (for a time) Who, What, Where and Why It IS, and explore the concept of Beginning.

Consciousness plays within the structure of Matter, and becomes the consciousness of that matter. In doing so, Consciousness takes on the Identity of the Form.

“I Am” a Galaxy.
“I Am” a Star.
“I Am” a Planet
“I Am” a Human.

*And while this Fragment of Consciousness merges within these realities –within the realm of beginnings, another part of Itself remains wholly aware of what It is - and has always been.
 
I think he meant "Je suis soûl", must be French.:)

soûl:
soûl (ivre) adj drunk
 
This Conscious Wholeness is not separated by the density of Form. It is connected intimately with that fragment of Itself which has entered into the Form of Its Creation. It watches over the proceedings and directs the fragmented consciousness back into The Wholeness.

Step by Step.

“I Am” a Galaxy ...“I Am” a Star....“I Am” a Planet...“I Am” a Human...return to The One...

...and through the experience of separation and rejoin, The One becomes transformed as The Many realise The One.

So what is this to a single Human struggling to see the day through?

The fact that there is even a struggle suggests that the consciousness within the form is unable to connect with the intelligence of the Form – and communicate the truth of Its connection to The One.

The body intelligence identifies only with the Form, be that Female, Male, Race, Culture, or Belief.

Identifies only with that which is measurable in terms of its own learned bias.

Yet this bias is merely a step in the evolution of Humanity. As a race we are still adolescent...naturally this will change, and the bias will shift to embrace the immeasurable, eventually.

*Those who are aware of I AM outside the confines of present human belief systems, are also aware of the role they play in the oncoming shift from adolescence to adult.

...And what of this role?

It is not one which requires the denial of the human instrument in favour of the Soul.

Why would Consciousness create matter and evolve form but to experience being that form?

Therefore identifying with the form as in (I AM – a Human) is part of what Consciousness is about.

Consciousness is also about teaching/revealing to the body intelligence the vaster reality of which IT IS.

As the body I am identity learns to acknowledge this vaster existence, the personality transforms through this understanding from behaviour cemented within a purely physical framework into behaviour which incorporates nurturing.

This nurturing is a partnership between the I am personality of the individual and the Consciousness of Wholeness which has presided over the experiment of Consciousness interaction with matter in form.

Things strictly human begin to drop away as reality is redefined within the understanding of the individual.

The human instrument which identifies with Soul is important for that fact, and useful to Wholeness Perspective – for investigating, nurturing and aligning all of the capabilities of human instrument in service to Wholeness Perspective.

This understanding in no way diminishes the capabilities of human instrument identity to have fun to the max.
 
Navigator

you are stellar :cool:

do you agree that
the true path of consciousness is beyond identity though?

being is really seeking unity
 
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breathe

Consciousness is Identity.

It is also that which identifies.

Unity is ... the Consciousness of Wholeness
...drawing back into itself that which is...the fragment of Itself which has entered into the Form of Its Creation

it is that fragmented consciousness which...is really seeking unity...collective indentity rather than just individual identity

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i always believed identity was corporeal but you are suggesting it relates to higher understanding, which changes everything for me

as far as the two major houses agreeing on the existence of the soul, as you say...(and with all due respect, given that i have had a belly laugh as i always do when i come to visit the forum)

...do you mean the montagues and the capulets? :shy:
 
Navigator said:
I Am Soul

For most of us, the ‘who’ and ‘what’ we identify with, is the Human Instrument.

“I Am” in this light, is about being the human form. Male/Female – skin colour (ethnicity/culture) and from these concepts, within the structure of the human instrument, from emotion, from intellect and ability, evolves the understanding of “Who I Am”.
I Am Human Instrument
That understanding is based within human conceptions which, if the Soul is a factual reality, becomes flawed.
Flawed conceptions.
If the Soul is factual, then such flawed conceptions as to “Who I Am” need to shift in our individual understandings.
Indeed, such expressions as “The Soul” “My Soul” “Your Soul” (etc) become erroneous in relation to the Identity of the individual.
It is then, that the individual who believes themselves to be the human instrument, even while believing that the Soul exists, is inclined to address Soul as “The Soul” or “My Soul” .
Which is to say, that the human instrument identity (intelligence) ,is inclined to see the Soul as something which possesses the human instrument – as a mysterious thing of unknown quality.
Indeed, this is quiet natural. Indeed, ‘the soul’ is a mystical addition to the awareness of Self.
The quantum shift of Self Awareness Consciousness comes to the individual most essentially when the understanding of that individual regarding “I AM” is no different from SOUL.

The reason NOW that Soul is seen as something outside/inside – addition to the Self, has to do with many things, mostly the fact that as a collective SOUL we are ready for such news.
The natural steps towards the revelation (individual and collective) are firstly recognising ‘we’ are ‘human’ and this evolving into ‘we’ are ‘soul’.
What is Human?

Even in this, “Human” has more to do with colour of skin, culture, belief and behaviour. ‘We’ are learning this.
It is enough in the initial steps, to understand and to agree together as to ‘what is human’ and what such a revelation moves us as individuals and as a collective, into the direction of Soul.
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What observation would lead one to feel a soul might exist?

the illusion is of a self, there are bodies and attendant upon the bodies are thoughts, emotions, sensations and habits.
 
Navigator said:
Are we as a species moving towards the realisation of Soul?
According to many, this is what is occurring. For centuries there has been speculation on this thing called Soul.
Religion has mentioned Soul
Culture has mentioned Soul
Two major houses agree to the existence of Soul.
Science as yet has made no major inroads into proving the existence of Soul.
Should we – believe in this thing called Soul, without the evidence of Science to make those beliefs acceptable?
Rational.
Believable.
Is Soul immeasurable?
It is easy to identify the I AM as a human instrument – the body – because the body is measurable.

Yet it is consciousness which defines. What is the human instrument without consciousness? Is it not consciousness which defines...existence?
Does anything exist without consciousness acknowledging IT?
Therefore – is Consciousness another name for Soul? Or rather, is Consciousness the same thing as Soul?
If so – can science therefore measure It? Communicate with IT.
What is Science but a tool by which humans can explore the physical universe? (Or at least the relative neighbourhood)
It is truth that there are things within this universe which are not physical.
Consciousness is one of those things. Yet when it manifest through form, it can be measured, at least approximately.

As Consciousness is the only thing which recognises Itself and all other things as Itself, it is Consciousness alone which decides What It Is.

It is Consciousness which has chosen to interact with the Quantum and from that interaction, create the density of Matter.

It is Consciousness, full aware of Itself and Its ability, which merges with matter and infuses Itself within every aspect of that matter.

Fragmenting from Its Wholeness.

It is these fragments of Consciousness which decide to forget (for a time) Who, What, Where and Why It IS, and explore the concept of Beginning.

Consciousness plays within the structure of Matter, and becomes the consciousness of that matter. In doing so, Consciousness takes on the Identity of the Form.

“I Am” a Galaxy.
“I Am” a Star.
“I Am” a Planet
“I Am” a Human.

*And while this Fragment of Consciousness merges within these realities –within the realm of beginnings, another part of Itself remains wholly aware of what It is - and has always been.
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I am the p-zombie, you are the p-zombie, we are p-zombies.

There is no consciousness, anymore than a car is fast.

Finger meet Moon.
 
Navigator said:
This Conscious Wholeness is not separated by the density of Form. It is connected intimately with that fragment of Itself which has entered into the Form of Its Creation. It watches over the proceedings and directs the fragmented consciousness back into The Wholeness.

Step by Step.

“I Am” a Galaxy ...“I Am” a Star....“I Am” a Planet...“I Am” a Human...return to The One...

...and through the experience of separation and rejoin, The One becomes transformed as The Many realise The One.

So what is this to a single Human struggling to see the day through?

The fact that there is even a struggle suggests that the consciousness within the form is unable to connect with the intelligence of the Form – and communicate the truth of Its connection to The One.

The body intelligence identifies only with the Form, be that Female, Male, Race, Culture, or Belief.

Identifies only with that which is measurable in terms of its own learned bias.

Yet this bias is merely a step in the evolution of Humanity. As a race we are still adolescent...naturally this will change, and the bias will shift to embrace the immeasurable, eventually.

*Those who are aware of I AM outside the confines of present human belief systems, are also aware of the role they play in the oncoming shift from adolescence to adult.

...And what of this role?

It is not one which requires the denial of the human instrument in favour of the Soul.

Why would Consciousness create matter and evolve form but to experience being that form?

Therefore identifying with the form as in (I AM – a Human) is part of what Consciousness is about.

Consciousness is also about teaching/revealing to the body intelligence the vaster reality of which IT IS.

As the body I am identity learns to acknowledge this vaster existence, the personality transforms through this understanding from behaviour cemented within a purely physical framework into behaviour which incorporates nurturing.

This nurturing is a partnership between the I am personality of the individual and the Consciousness of Wholeness which has presided over the experiment of Consciousness interaction with matter in form.

Things strictly human begin to drop away as reality is redefined within the understanding of the individual.

The human instrument which identifies with Soul is important for that fact, and useful to Wholeness Perspective – for investigating, nurturing and aligning all of the capabilities of human instrument in service to Wholeness Perspective.

This understanding in no way diminishes the capabilities of human instrument identity to have fun to the max.
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I am wondering how much this costs and if there are long term side effects. Can I get some Word Dressing to go with the Word Salad?

Disassociation can be entertaining for brief periods as can magical thinking, most people who live with it on a long term basis are rather unhappy.
 
Navigator said:
breathe

Consciousness is Identity.

It is also that which identifies.

Unity is ... the Consciousness of Wholeness
...drawing back into itself that which is...the fragment of Itself which has entered into the Form of Its Creation

it is that fragmented consciousness which...is really seeking unity...collective indentity rather than just individual identity

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So when a person has Alzheimers they are no longer conscious?
 
Consciousness has many levels. Why would identity be limited to the corporeal? I am suggesting that consciousness resides outside the corporeal as well as within, and takes on the persona of the thing/form it inhabits.

I am suggesting that it as a unique identity of itself and is not limited by those things it inhabits.

Two of the major houses I spoke of which more readily accept the notion of Soul, are culture and religion.

That is not to say that these houses agree on 'what is soul' and within the fragments of these houses, there are many beliefs as to what exactly soul is, because such a thing is used for purposes of controlling and directing followers.

What I am suggesting is that soul is universal consciousness and in this state, is not able to be controlled...by anything copereal.

I understand the belly laugh thing. A sense of humor which is clean of barbs daggers and other such devices, is a mysteriously delightful thing.
 
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