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I Am Soul

Navigator said:
Are we as a species moving towards the realisation of Soul?
According to many, this is what is occurring. For centuries there has been speculation on this thing called Soul.
Religion has mentioned Soul
Culture has mentioned Soul
Two major houses agree to the existence of Soul.
Science as yet has made no major inroads into proving the existence of Soul.
Should we – believe in this thing called Soul, without the evidence of Science to make those beliefs acceptable?
Rational.
Believable.
Is Soul immeasurable?
It is easy to identify the I AM as a human instrument – the body – because the body is measurable.

Yet it is consciousness which defines. What is the human instrument without consciousness? Is it not consciousness which defines...existence?
Does anything exist without consciousness acknowledging IT?
Therefore – is Consciousness another name for Soul? Or rather, is Consciousness the same thing as Soul?
If so – can science therefore measure It? Communicate with IT.
What is Science but a tool by which humans can explore the physical universe? (Or at least the relative neighbourhood)
It is truth that there are things within this universe which are not physical.
Consciousness is one of those things. Yet when it manifest through form, it can be measured, at least approximately.

As Consciousness is the only thing which recognises Itself and all other things as Itself, it is Consciousness alone which decides What It Is.

It is Consciousness which has chosen to interact with the Quantum and from that interaction, create the density of Matter.

It is Consciousness, full aware of Itself and Its ability, which merges with matter and infuses Itself within every aspect of that matter.

Fragmenting from Its Wholeness.

It is these fragments of Consciousness which decide to forget (for a time) Who, What, Where and Why It IS, and explore the concept of Beginning.

Consciousness plays within the structure of Matter, and becomes the consciousness of that matter. In doing so, Consciousness takes on the Identity of the Form.

“I Am” a Galaxy.
“I Am” a Star.
“I Am” a Planet
“I Am” a Human.
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*And while this Fragment of Consciousness merges within these realities –within the realm of beginnings, another part of Itself remains wholly aware of what It is - and has always been.
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You are very close my friend.
One out of body expeiance acually N.D.E. discribed it as God shattered himself and created while still out side of his creation, the reason is so he could refine the metal and reform it's self even to be more pure.

Dancing David says,
What observation would lead one to feel a soul might exist?
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Proof through manipulation of matter to coincide with that person’s wishes and beliefs who is now deceased, a wish for that person, out of love for us that there is more according to that person’s belief.

Or a self applied to anything other than a physical body.
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Proof is there? The answer is yes. Will you accept it probably not because you are stuck in your corporeal belief system?
Question asked, by navigator,
Originally Posted by Navigator
Why would identity be limited to the corporeal?
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Hokulele says,

Why wouldn't it?
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Because for the moment it is but God says that it is only for the moment he will refine us with water and if you don’t believe he will refine you with fire and if that doesn’t work you in a heap of trouble.
There are several proofs available.
They mock what they don’t understand so you’ll have to forgive them and understand that there are us that do, and all you can do Navigator is believe and try to teach.
 
edge said:
Because for the moment it is but God says that it is only for the moment he will refine us with water and if you don’t believe he will refine you with fire and if that doesn’t work you in a heap of trouble.
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That doesn't make any sense either. Revelation is quite clear that it is the bodies that are resurrected, not a soul in the sense Navigator is going on about.

There are several proofs available.
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Such as?

They mock what they don’t understand so you’ll have to forgive them and understand that there are us that do, and all you can do Navigator is believe and try to teach.
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If I do not understand, it is due to the fact that the concept is nonsensical. And don't forget, it works both ways. There are many examples in this forum of people trying to share and teach you, but you always close your eyes or look the other way.
 
Navigator said:
Are we as a species moving towards the realisation of Soul?
According to many, this is what is occurring. For centuries there has been speculation on this thing called Soul.
Religion has mentioned Soul
Culture has mentioned Soul
Two major houses agree to the existence of Soul.
Science as yet has made no major inroads into proving the existence of Soul.
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The capital of South Korea is Seoul.
A flat fish is a sole.
The bottom of my shoe is called the sole.
The sun is often called Sol.

I can't take it anymore.

Your musings inane,
If meant as parody
Wax droll

If sincerely writ,
Inhale deeply and pass
The bowl

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
The capital of South Korea is Seoul.
A flat fish is a sole.
The bottom of my shoe is called the sole.
The sun is often called Sol.

I can't take it anymore.

Your musings inane,
If meant as parody
Wax droll

If sincerely writ,
Inhale deeply and pass
The bowl

DR
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Almost haiku.

Your musings inane
If were meant as parody
Seoul, South Korea
 
Navigator said:
Consciousness has many levels. Why would identity be limited to the corporeal?
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Great idea, any evidence?
I am suggesting that consciousness resides outside the corporeal as well as within, and takes on the persona of the thing/form it inhabits.
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More great ideas, any evidence?
I am suggesting that it as a unique identity of itself and is not limited by those things it inhabits.

Two of the major houses I spoke of which more readily accept the notion of Soul, are culture and religion.
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Well they also support slavery, racism and domestic violence, are you sure that means anything?
That is not to say that these houses agree on 'what is soul' and within the fragments of these houses, there are many beliefs as to what exactly soul is, because such a thing is used for purposes of controlling and directing followers.

What I am suggesting is that soul is universal consciousness and in this state, is not able to be controlled...by anything copereal.
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Then how does it contact living bodies and what effects does it have?
I understand the belly laugh thing. A sense of humor which is clean of barbs daggers and other such devices, is a mysteriously delightful thing.
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edge said:
You are very close my friend.
One out of body expeiance acually N.D.E. discribed it as God shattered himself and created while still out side of his creation, the reason is so he could refine the metal and reform it's self even to be more pure.

Dancing David says,


Proof through manipulation of matter to coincide with that person’s wishes and beliefs who is now deceased, a wish for that person, out of love for us that there is more according to that person’s belief.


Proof is there? The answer is yes. Will you accept it probably not because you are stuck in your corporeal belief system?
Question asked, by navigator,


Hokulele says,



Because for the moment it is but God says that it is only for the moment he will refine us with water and if you don’t believe he will refine you with fire and if that doesn’t work you in a heap of trouble.
There are several proofs available.
They mock what they don’t understand so you’ll have to forgive them and understand that there are us that do, and all you can do Navigator is believe and try to teach.
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Thanks Edge, i have a vast experience of things spiritual and years of practice.

What evidence do you have? A NDE does not mean there is a soul, what transmission of information has occured?

I would imagine it is just wishful thinking, I am a mystic and a sceptic.

So do you have evidence or just wishful thinking?
 
edge said:
You are very close my friend.


Because for the moment it is but God says that it is only for the moment he will refine us with water and if you don’t believe he will refine you with fire and if that doesn’t work you in a heap of trouble.
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In the kabbalah it says that god did destroy the first creation with fire, ooops.
Noah was the second destruction by water.
There are several proofs available.
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Show em if you got em.
 
Navigator said:
Yet it is consciousness which defines. What is the human instrument without consciousness? Is it not consciousness which defines...existence?
Does anything exist without consciousness acknowledging IT?
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If consciousness is defined by/through life, somethings have to exist without being acknowledged. The inorganic universe gave rise to the organic.
But wouldn't what we call consciousness/soul (that something that connects and directs) have an inorganic precursor? Like the negative, positive, attractive and repulsive forces provided by the electromagnetic force?

Dancing David said:
What observation would lead one to feel a soul might exist?
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Looking into the eyes of any mammal, and seeing the two eyes of all the other lifeforms (in which they can be seen) might suggest a connection. And science has already found that all life is connected... as well as the rest of the universe.
That "feeling of connection" has bases.
 
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Thanks Edge, i have a vast experience of things spiritual and years of practice.

What evidence do you have? A NDE does not mean there is a soul, what transmission of information has occured?

I would imagine it is just wishful thinking, I am a mystic and a sceptic.

So do you have evidence or just wishful thinking?
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Yes and I am debating that thought and have for about 2 years.
To show or not to show and what the skeptical reaction would be?
How bad would they disrespect?
Would it do any good in here?
Yes matter was changed forever.
From my father after death.
If I could know that it would have a positive effect.
 
If consciousness is defined by/through life, something have to exist without being acknowledged. The inorganic universe gave rise to the organic.

Consciousness defines itself.
Within human form, consciousness defines itself, and defines others through the limitations of that form.
The definitions are often inaccurate, but don't take those personally.
It is better to suggest possibilities than to believe unmovingly.
That is why I am free as consciousness within human form, to explore possibilities, and that is why I do not believe that because something is yet unproven that it is not unprovable.
As a specie we are still very young and undisciplined and react in a reflex manner (shoot first -think about it not at all) :)
That is also why the impropa use of language annoys some individuals :)
Consciousness is exploring this organic wonderland.


Life is connected through consciousness.
 
There was a time when consciousness explored what it was like to be within the form of Dinosaur.

With the advent of the Human Form, the shift of Consciousness has allowed the possibility for this incorpereal indentity to commune with the individual identities and visa versa.

However, it is The Human individual which must connect the dots and make the offer - reach out to the impossible - the illogical - the unmeasurable.

Not to say that the incorpereal indentity does not subtly prompt the Human Personality.

Even going along with Human imaginations and assumptions.

But this is a gentle, delicate undertaking. Humans are easily frightened…small steps are required.

I can only speculate for now as to where this evolution might lead. It is plausible that - like the Dinosaurs - the human Form will become extinct (at least as a physical reality on this planet).

If so, Consciousness will create more forms - forms improved upon.

It is plausible that the Human Form has been created specifically for its unique abilities and that these abilities will be utilised by Soul to create forms which are less susceptible to the abrasive qualities of the physical universe…

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Liken the Human Instrument to a vehicle.

The driver is the identity/body intelligence.

The roads are the potential and the route travelled are the choices the individual makes.

But first the individual needs to learn to drive it’s vehicle and understand the complex arrangement of things necessary in order to eventually take over the responsibility of driving.

The instructors are those who influence the personality in the years before adolescence and adulthood.

All through this process and development there is a silent watchful passenger.

This is the Soul.

Primarily, the passenger is along for the whole experience of the ride.

The thing about the vehicle is that the driver can’t up and leave it, at least not readily.

What occurs then is the driver begins to identify with the vehicle until there is no distinction - the driver and the vehicle are one and the same.

Sometimes the driver wonders about the whole experience it is having. Ponders on the meaning of the experience.

The driver might one day feel that there is more to this experience than meets the eye.

At some point the driver might engage with the invisible passenger - ah oh…the passenger most likely will engage with the driver.

The driver may wonder of the sanity of this communion.

Or accept things as they unfold.

The passenger then becomes part of the drivers experience, and indeed, will offer the driver direction.

As a trust is built up between driver and passenger, the passenger sits up front, becomes more of a reality and eventually becomes the driver and can show the driver a number of things which helps the driver immeasurably.

Sometimes the passenger will show the driver the way off the busy streets of normality and into the quiet country roads where in solitude the driver can evaluate and explore without the distractions.

The passenger eventually convinces the driver that they are aspects of each other, and this leads to a natural and conscious morphing.

The passenger is now also the driver, and the driver also the passenger.

Also - the driver discovers that it can exit the vehicle on occasions and be uplifted on the wings of an entirely different vehicle in and altogether different realm.

At first this experience leaves the driver feeling a little panicky outside its normal zone of comfort and predictability.

Mostly the driver stays within the dimension of its vehicle yet its perceptions have altered in such a way that the total outlook on life alters irrevocably.

The driver no longer identifies itself as being the vehicle.

The driver understands that there is more to reality than what the vehicle sensory system can identify and measure.

The driver understands that a lot of its formal instruction is erroneous.

The driver understands that it is much more than what it previously believed itself to being.

There might be a tendency in the initial stages for the driver to pine for the things that are not immediately attainable and may even resent the vehicle and see it as some form of prison.

While this is natural, it is only a knee-jerk reaction based mostly in the drivers yet to be transformed understanding.

Eventually the driver will relax its perceptions of distain for the vehicle and get about enjoying the vehicle while it is available.

Enjoy The Ride
 
Navigator said:
With the advent of the Human Form, the shift of Consciousness has allowed the possibility for this incorpereal indentity to commune with the individual identities and visa versa.
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I’m so sorry that hasn’t prevented your “incorporeal identity” from being almost completely unconscious about questions and attempts of interaction with you in this thread. I also looked at some previous posts by you, in other threads, and the same unconsciousness seems to have been there as well, with a few exceptions of course. Perhaps we just have to wait until “the shift of consciousness” is finished and eventually awakens you from, as it currently seems, your own spiritual La La Land, where monologue seems to be the preferred form of communication.
 
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Um...did I break the rules?

Nope, I don't think so.

Don't let it get to you - things are not always as they appear and I have learned to use my time the way I want to.
You might be one to answer every question ever put to you, but why would that make you think I should be like you?
Enjoy the fact that you are unique. I certainly am.

Hint.

If you want to interact with me, respect me. If you can't respect me, find something else to do, somewhere else.
That is helpful advice for you and the 'we' you speak of.

Also - check out the name of the forum and the name of the thread. Yes, I know not all individuals have the same point of view as I do. I can silently accept that.
Can you?
It is nothing to be distainful about. Even less important to argue over.

If you want answers because you are lacking direction, then find out what direction you want to move toward and those answers will come to you soon enough.

Enjoy your ride.

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