Hurricane Ida devastates Lousiana and the GUlf..

[HHellpop]

Thanks - yeah I really lucked out this time. I don't regret going for the night, though; last year I had all the first-hand hurricane experience I could ever want.

For me, while there was a risk that staying could have been a really bad idea, I'm glad I stayed this time. I think I'd much prefer to hear and know firsthand what the situation is and how long recovery might take, than to go through the agonizing uncertainty that followed Katrina. 16 years ago this weekend was when my hairline started to recede like flood waters!

For what it's worth, I saw a few dogs, including a couple of big ones, at the Hampton Inn I stayed at in Shreveport, but I have no idea whether that's a company policy or if it was just that particular hotel. At any rate under the circumstances it seems at least some places are allowing pets that normally wouldn't. Or not not allowing them.

Thanks, Checkmite. On top of everything, I've got some front-end trouble with my car, so Shreveport might be a bit out of range for me. But I'll keep an open mind and desperate tone in my voice if/when I start looking for a destination.

 

[dudalb]

The last major destructive Calif quake we had was in 1989. Since then we have retrofitted buildings and bridges making them much safer. We have had large quakes since then but nothing like the damage of '89. We've gotten a lot better at it.

What have Florida and the southern states done over this same time period to prepare for hurricanes and prevent damage and loss of life? All I can find is "better forecasting, board up windows, stock up on food and flee".

There was a pretty damaging shake in LA in 1993.

 

[dudalb]

71 year old man reportedly killed by alligator in Ida floodwaters.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/us/slidell-louisiana-alligator-attack/index.html

God, that is like something out of a bad horror movie.
Wierd thing is Alligators are normally not that agressive toward humans,humans are big and they don't like to tangle with them, they generally try to get away.

 

[JoeMorgue]

God, that is like something out of a bad horror movie.
Wierd thing is Alligators are normally not that agressive toward humans,humans are big and they don't like to tangle with them, they generally try to get away.

The animal was probably highly stressed from the storm.

 

[dudalb]

Now some officials are saying mass evacuations in New Orleans might be necessary just from lack of power and clean water (yes, they are directly connected);the impact might be worse then Katrina.

 

[mgidm86]

There was a pretty damaging shake in LA in 1993.

You are correct. Was just four years after the biggie.

Point is we rebuild here in Cali because we have figured out how to do so safely. We've learned a lot.

The original question was why do people keep rebuilding in disaster zones, and Cali and earthquakes was mentioned. I think it is different here in many ways because we have improved our building techniques.

Another big factor is that the frequency of major earthquakes is very low compared to Florida and hurricanes.

We aren't seeing the same damage year after year like Florida. It's almost as if we weren't really supposed to build there I mean it's one reason I will not move there even though the fishing is awesome. Big destructive quakes on the other hand are not a concern of mine - they are rare.

Edit:
We do have a lot of fires now though.

 

[Trebuchet]

Now some officials are saying mass evacuations in New Orleans might be necessary just from lack of power and clean water (yes, they are directly connected);the impact might be worse then Katrina.

Where is Chris Kyle now that we need him to murder people from the roof of the Superdome?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

NOPD can murder their own citizens just fine, they proved at it the Danziger bridge during the Katrina crisis

 

[HHellpop]

Now some officials are saying mass evacuations in New Orleans might be necessary just from lack of power and clean water (yes, they are directly connected);the impact might be worse then Katrina.

That is Jefferson Parish, the county west of New Orleans. They suffered numerous water main breaks, which has become a major issue not only for basic survival, but containing fires.

'Leave, absolutely, if you can': Jefferson officials warn of grueling weeks ahead after Ida

We here in NO have no power, but clean water. Entergy (power provider) says some power to be restored by tomorrow. Mayor Cantrell did have busses ready for evacuation but says they are not needed.

 

[Checkmite]

Man runs up to NBC News reporter Shaquille Brewster, demanding he "report accurately" whatever that means. I guess the fact that a hurricane exists is a liberal lamestream media conspiracy or something.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...jA-YZXsYQFgDzYoRBHWrq6KvowLMPEgREUXZ3KZFJrYtA

Tangentially related to the larger story; but for what it's worth, this fellow appears to be an Ohio man in violation of his parole, making his decision to accost a broadcasting national news crew even more dubious.

 

[a_unique_person]

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_4f6a3c2a-09de-11ec-ae50-07fe468b9d14.html


Grand Isle is pretty well wiped out.

And some video.

 

[Lplus]

And some video.

Interesting video. Notable is that some properties have withstood the winds etc without apparent harm whilst others are flattened. Are the undamaged properties built to new or different standards?

 

[Checkmite]

Interesting video. Notable is that some properties have withstood the winds etc without apparent harm whilst others are flattened. Are the undamaged properties built to new or different standards?

It's standards. Grand Isle has been completely destroyed to the last building by hurricanes in the past, so more recently the buildings are of a higher standard.

Note how many/most of the surviving structures are on stilts, keeping them out of the storm surge, while most of the ground-level buildings have more damage.

But even many of the surviving stilt-structures are still damaged in some way.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Tangentially related to the larger story; but for what it's worth, this fellow appears to be an Ohio man in violation of his parole, making his decision to accost a broadcasting national news crew even more dubious.

The man, now identified as Benjamin Eugene Dagley, has been charged with two counts of simple assault, one count of disturbing the peace, and one count of violating an emergency curfew. And yes he is in violation of his Ohio based parole for multiple counts of vandalism, including a really weird case in 2017 where he was arrested for drilling holes in storage tanks containing dangerous chemicals.

A warrant is currently issued for his arrest.

https://www.theroot.com/white-man-who-harassed-black-news-anchor-almost-caused-1847596784

 

[plague311]

I'm late to the party, but I would like to add my vote to the "Can we please stop building there?" line of thinking. I know it would be a financial blow to LA because of how much money New Orleans brings in, but this seems to be a consistent thing.

Maybe repeatedly investing billions to rebuild, just to see it ****** up again in a few years is getting a little asinine?

 

[JoeMorgue]

I'm late to the party, but I would like to add my vote to the "Can we please stop building there?" line of thinking. I know it would be a financial blow to LA because of how much money New Orleans brings in, but this seems to be a consistent thing.

Maybe repeatedly investing billions to rebuild, just to see it ****** up again in a few years is getting a little asinine?

Then where?

California has Earthquakes and has pretty much constantly been on fire for the past decade. The Midwest has Tornados. The North has blizzards.

Fine you could maybe argue New Orleans since you'd be hard pressed to intentionally design a city to be more flood prone if you literally tried, but Los Angeles is built on a major faultline and all Florida is going to be underwater, do we just move everyeone out of there as well?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Then where?

California has Earthquakes and has pretty much constantly been on fire for the past decade. The Midwest has Tornados. The North has blizzards.

Fine you could maybe argue New Orleans since you'd be hard pressed to intentionally design a city to be more flood prone if you literally tried, but Los Angeles is built on a major faultline and all Florida is going to be underwater, do we just move everyeone out of there as well?

Especially given that flooding wasn't the issue for New Orleans this time around. The beefed up levees held fine. The current problems are a result of high winds knocking out power, which could happen in any coastal area unlucky enough to get hit with a strong enough storm.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

The man, now identified as Benjamin Eugene Dagley, has been charged with two counts of simple assault, one count of disturbing the peace, and one count of violating an emergency curfew. And yes he is in violation of his Ohio based parole for multiple counts of vandalism, including a really weird case in 2017 where he was arrested for drilling holes in storage tanks containing dangerous chemicals.

A warrant is currently issued for his arrest.

https://www.theroot.com/white-man-who-harassed-black-news-anchor-almost-caused-1847596784

He was ranting about "accuracy".

Can't tell if he's just a nutter or some CHUD perpetually upset about "fake news".

 

[JoeMorgue]

He was ranting about "accuracy".

Can't tell if he's just a nutter or some CHUD perpetually upset about "fake news".

I'm sure the excuse from the right is "He has mental issues" which is the No True to all their Scotsmen.

 

[plague311]

Then where?

There are a zillion places that you don't hear about on the news because their weather is perfectly fine that aren't in Florida or Cali. Coastal cities aren't the only cities.

California has Earthquakes and has pretty much constantly been on fire for the past decade. The Midwest has Tornados. The North has blizzards.

Yes, all of those things are tragic and I have the same feelings about tornado alley. As a person who literally lives in one of the most northern parts this country has to offer, we've had 1 time that we had to rebuild our downtown in Grand Forks, North Dakota. That was the flood in the late '90s. Blizzards are not tough to deal with at all, but I wouldn't wish anyone to move here. I'm sure if you search hard enough you can find a bad storm or weather in any city\state at some time, but this happens in New Orleans consistently.

Fine you could maybe argue New Orleans since you'd be hard pressed to intentionally design a city to be more flood prone if you literally tried, but Los Angeles is built on a major faultline and all Florida is going to be underwater, do we just move everyeone out of there as well?

Even, as ST pointed out, the water wasn't the problem this specific time, it was something else. Before that it was levees, before that it was something else, and something else, and so on.

Whatever though, I don't live there. If people want to continue losing their lives, all their ****, and their family, then rock on. I just think it's stupid we have to spend billions rebuilding a place to just end up doing it a few years later. It sounds insane to me...literally.